Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Firebringer]

I don't think I have used the phrase "double dog dare" since middleschool. Wow that takes me back.

[Krazy]

Krazy is my only null outside of Work (who I'm not counting).

Assuming you mean Worm here and that somehow you got phone autocorrected

[Vedith]

Town Fire would have left there.
I'm 100% happy for us to be the ones going today.

But everyone is to drop read lists before I walk. Take it as a Scum claim if I do not walk

[Vedith]

Assuming you mean Worm here and that somehow you got phone autocorrected

Correct.

[Firebringer]

I actually think ur town here vedith so I am just messing with ur mind because it amuses me at this point.

[Vedith]

I'm sorry Fire. Too late!
You know you always have a place in my heart but you rolled Scum. And it pains me to see you in pain.

[Firebringer]

u don't have the balls <3

[Vedith]

I'm going out! I'm drinking a shandy top and then I'm coming home reckless!
I want all reads in following posts from all players

[Firebringer]

I love our marriage

[Dannflor]

Yes I'm saying he could be wrong on one pairing and you could use that to your benefit. SS if you're town, you think this doesn't make sense? 'cause I think it's pretty easy to understand what I'm saying.

I think it doesn't make sense, yes. Even if there's one scum is Dann/Nancy/Moment/Brie, lynching all the other pairs won't win scum the game; those two pairs will still get a chance to figure it out. Furthermore, there's no guarantee that people will respect RC's reads after he's dead.

Killing the town pair in those two seems stronger from that position. That way, RC will be alive and actively defending the other one, and he'll push to have them endgame, since he said multiple times he expected to be paranoia lynched. The only way this would be worse is if I'd think it would be absolutely impossible to paranoia lynch RC, which wouldn't make any sense with the way I've been playing.

I don't follow this. RC/Ank were a widely town read pair too, what makes it less likely RC/Ank + end game pair wouldn't be able to figure out who the potential final scum is over Dann/Nancy/Moment/Brie? In fact, that situation seems even more dangerous just because RC is there.

I have to double check this, but wasn't RC expressing last minute doubts about Brie, however?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy who should I vote?

Why are you asking me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes I'm saying he could be wrong on one pairing and you could use that to your benefit. SS if you're town, you think this doesn't make sense? 'cause I think it's pretty easy to understand what I'm saying.

I think it doesn't make sense, yes. Even if there's one scum is Dann/Nancy/Moment/Brie, lynching all the other pairs won't win scum the game; those two pairs will still get a chance to figure it out. Furthermore, there's no guarantee that people will respect RC's reads after he's dead.

Killing the town pair in those two seems stronger from that position. That way, RC will be alive and actively defending the other one, and he'll push to have them endgame, since he said multiple times he expected to be paranoia lynched. The only way this would be worse is if I'd think it would be absolutely impossible to paranoia lynch RC, which wouldn't make any sense with the way I've been playing.

I don't follow this. RC/Ank were a widely town read pair too, what makes it less likely RC/Ank + end game pair wouldn't be able to figure out who the potential final scum is over Dann/Nancy/Moment/Brie? In fact, that situation seems even more dangerous just because RC is there.

I have to double check this, but wasn't RC expressing last minute doubts about Brie, however?

He was pretty solid on me/you/moment.

[Something_Smart]

I don't follow this. RC/Ank were a widely town read pair too, what makes it less likely RC/Ank + end game pair wouldn't be able to figure out who the potential final scum is over Dann/Nancy/Moment/Brie? In fact, that situation seems even more dangerous just because RC is there.

RC seemed pretty confident he would be paranoia lynched at some point, and for good reason, because a lot of people get paranoid of him very easily. His plan was made without his survival in mind. This is independent of whether or not his pair was townread (and I'd say they were fairly townread but not incredibly so, although maybe more people townread them than were vocal about it).

[Dannflor]

This was the list I gave Nancy during intermission:

Dannflor / Nancy
Ankamius / RC

=====

Krazy/Taly
Pvt/Gamma
Pink Ball/Dr Worm

=====

Moment/TheBrie
Vedith/FireBringer
DT/SS

This wasn't necessarily individual reads of players, but where I think scum is most likely. 0 in the top bracket, one max in the top bracket, and likely two in the bottom bracket.

The IC made me think Gamma could be mechanically scum more likely, but I feel like I have a pretty good town read on her, and if PvT is leaning town on her, I'm content with that read. I agree with Vedith (wow) that FB might be scum here? #4429 in particular pings me as scum realizing they messed up and trying to get back on Vedith's good side. I'm a little worried it's just FB not being invested but... I'm confused why a PT with Vedith wouldn't help FB get more invested/have fun.

@Vedith can you elaborate on your theory as to why FB stopped responding why you're pretty sure that means he's scum? Also, I doubt anything I say will have an impact on what you do, but maybe wait to leave the dance until you've had a chance to interact with everyone and their reads? I think you're likely town and if you're really planning to flip more info would be good.

My current readslist

Vedith

-

Firebringer

Dr Worm - Pink Ball

Krazy

-

Taly

Dannflor - Nancy Drew 39

Moment

-

TheBrie

DoubtingThomas

-

Something_Smart

PvtUrist

-

Gamma Emerald

I don't necessarily want to push SS/DT riight away, especially because I think SS is town. I want to see what SS thinks of DT in their PT. Also, if Vedith/FB is gonna resolve itself, we should wait for that too. I also have a few too many town reads, but that's standard for me. I tend to look for reasons people are town first (opposite of Vedith), and then revisit the weaker reads later.

[Something_Smart]

We haven't talked much, I think we've both been busy the past few days

[Dannflor]

I don't follow this. RC/Ank were a widely town read pair too, what makes it less likely RC/Ank + end game pair wouldn't be able to figure out who the potential final scum is over Dann/Nancy/Moment/Brie? In fact, that situation seems even more dangerous just because RC is there.

RC seemed pretty confident he would be paranoia lynched at some point, and for good reason, because a lot of people get paranoid of him very easily. His plan was made without his survival in mind. This is independent of whether or not his pair was townread (and I'd say they were fairly townread but not incredibly so, although maybe more people townread them than were vocal about it).

I too, have had a lot of paranoia/general suspicion thrown my way, more than RC I think. I don't think anyone outright scum read RC?

The problem is RC had his doubts about Brie iirc, which puts that pair into slight question, and I've had paranoia and scum reads thrown my way since the start of the game, so taking one of our pairs out isn't necessarily better than taking out RC/Ank if scum thinks they won't be able to lynch them.

[Dannflor]

Vedith - Firebringer

Dr Worm

-

Pink Ball

Krazy

- Taly

Dancefloor

-

Nancy Drew 39

Moment - TheBrie
DoubtingThomas - Something_Smart

PvtUrist

-

Gamma Emerald

Current town-reads. Dark greens are conf/strong town, light greens are lean town.

Can you elaborate on Pink Ball strong-town? I don't necessarily disagree with a town read I've just been lowkey paranoid of being pocketed there.

[Dannflor]

SS, what are your reads?

[Taly]

What were all the yellow and orange color markings for your read then? Did I miss something?

Krazy is my only null outside of Work (who I'm not counting).
I was wondering if you meant that but since when do null get multiple colours on reads.

And what do you mean you're waiting for my response?
I answered and said I will but I'm on phone. Are you not reading what I'm putting?
Or was there a particular part you want me to answer before?

Dannflor

-

Nancy Drew 39

Moment

-

TheBrie

or

DoubtingThomas

-

Something_Smart

PvtUrist (green now)

-

Gamma Emerald

Dr Worm

-

Pink Ball

or

Krazy

-

Taly

I see more than 3 colors here. You didn't label or specify what each color meant.

1)

So what does orange and yellow mean in terms of your read?

Dr. W

is the same color as

Krazy

, so is he null too?

2)

I don't follow your townread on me because a big portion of the stated reason behind it in this game is on meta, and we haven't played before.

3)

Nancy/Dann

are scum for you I'm guessing since they're red? But you're not pushing that? Nor the

DT/TheBrie

scumread?

It feels odd because

Urist

is IC'ed, and you're scumreading the person he pushed.

I also don't follow because the last time you gave reads -

Nancy

was at the top. 489. I know this was awhile ago, but you gave no indication on how this changed... aside from maybe

RC/Ank's

NK?

4)

You didn't elaborate much on the

PB

townread, and right now,

PB

is a townread I want to reevaluate critically.

5)

Gamma

read is OK based off the gamestate because

Urist

is IC? But why are there so many null/sort/scum reads as opposed to town?

Fire

isn't in your readslist either, so I can't evaluate how your pair has communicated outside of that you both are (jokingly?) wanting to suicide.

...I just don't understand your view of this game. You're not elaborating on the reads, and it feels artificial when you think I'm intimidating you into expanding on them.

Nancy who should I vote?

Also this, why ask

Nancy

for where she wants you to vote when you're not townreading them?

[Dannflor]

2) I don't follow your townread on me because a big portion of the stated reason behind it in this game is on meta, and we haven't played before.

My town read on you has nothing to do with meta and I've gone into it pretty thoroughly btw

Just letting you know if you missed it that there are reasons ppl might town read you besides just meta (which isn't a super reliable tool anyways)

[Taly]

Vedith - Firebringer

Dr Worm

-

Pink Ball

Krazy

- Taly

Dancefloor

-

Nancy Drew 39

Moment - TheBrie
DoubtingThomas - Something_Smart

PvtUrist

-

Gamma Emerald

Current town-reads. Dark greens are conf/strong town, light greens are lean town.

Can you elaborate on Pink Ball strong-town? I don't necessarily disagree with a town read I've just been lowkey paranoid of being pocketed there.

The reason for your paranoia and

Urist

being IC'ed, alongside

PB's

opening posts, are a big reason why my deepwolf alarm is going apeshit on their slot.

I don't trust that

PB+Dr. W

are both town here, and I think there is also scum within

Vedith/Fire

.

I'll digress in a readslist I'll get to soon.

p-edit

yeah

Dann

you're one of the few people not in that category lol

Can you evaluate my back-and-forth with

Vedith

the past few pages and get back to me?

[Something_Smart]

SS, what are your reads?

This is my readlist from intermission:
[Dr Worm, Moment]
[Pink Ball,

Ankamius

, Dannflor, DoubtingThomas]
[Taly, TheBrie, Vedith,

PvtUrist

]
[Firebringer,

RadiantCowbells

] < null line
[Nancy Drew 39]
[Krazy, Gamma Emerald]

Now it probably looks something like:
[PvtUrist]
[Dr Worm, Moment]
[Pink Ball, Vedith, Firebringer, Taly]
[TheBrie, DoubtingThomas, Gamma Emerald] < null line
[Nancy Drew 39]
[Krazy]

I have very little confidence in them though.

[Something_Smart]

Just realized I left you out of the reorganization, lol.
[PvtUrist]
[Dr Worm, Moment]
[Pink Ball, Vedith, Firebringer, Taly]
[TheBrie, DoubtingThomas, Gamma Emerald, Dannflor] < null line
[Nancy Drew 39]
[Krazy]

[Dannflor]

Do I not exist anymore lol

pedit: ah

Is my movement due to the IC flip or something else?

[Something_Smart]

Honestly it's mostly due to that marathon game lol. You played pretty similarly there to here.