Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Dannflor]

Can you evaluate my back-and-forth with Vedith the past few pages and get back to me?

I'm not to sure what exactly you want me to evaluate.

It reads to me like clashing townies who just have different ways of approaching the game and don't necessarily have similar reads. It's best if you try to understand how/why Vedith is getting to his positions and reads (vice versa too), instead of arguing over methods.

[Taly]

I don't know why

Dann

-scum would be content with having

Urist

as an IC.

That's essentially grounds to validate suspicion on

Dann

based off

Urists'

read, or an argument to make that happen.

It looks too easy.

Can you evaluate my back-and-forth with Vedith the past few pages and get back to me?

I'm not to sure what exactly you want me to evaluate.

It reads to me like clashing townies who just have different ways of approaching the game and don't necessarily have similar reads. It's best if you try to understand how/why Vedith is getting to his positions and reads (vice versa too), instead of arguing over methods.

I'm not arguing with him. I don't like how I've been portrayed as being forceful or aggressive.

I'm TRYING to understand him.

Why is

Vedith

town to you?

[Something_Smart]

I don't know why Dann-scum would be content with having Urist as an IC.

I'm pretty sure Dann-scum would be more than content to IC the partner of the most scumread player in the game.

[Dannflor]

Honestly it's mostly due to that marathon game lol. You played pretty similarly there to here.

oh jesus I'd mentally repressed that

I guess that's fair? I don't really agree that I played similarly and i'd question using marathon meta in general, but that seems like a natural read progression to me so I'm fine with that explanation

[Dannflor]

I don't know why Dann-scum would be content with having Urist as an IC.

I'm pretty sure Dann-scum would be more than content to IC the partner of the most scumread player in the game.

When was Gamm the most scumread player in the game? What?

[Taly]

I don't know why Dann-scum would be content with having Urist as an IC.

I'm pretty sure Dann-scum would be more than content to IC the partner of the most scumread player in the game.

So are you suggesting

Gamma

is the most scumread player? If so, I don't agree.

[Dannflor]

I'm not arguing with him. I don't like how I've been portrayed as being forceful or aggressive.

I'm TRYING to understand him.

Why is Vedith town to you?

I don't mean to portray you as that either, I just mean you guys have very different styles and they're clearly clashing.

I had Vedith as an early town-lean for his behavior and attitude towards the start of the game, but that kinda waned with time as he disappeared as soon as he got a match and refused to participate anymore.

He's reassured me by coming back now with reads and analysis. Also, I don't think he's joking about suiciding when he says he scum reads Fire and would leave him. Don't think scum backs themselves into that corner when trading 1 for 1 for FB of all players isn't worth.

[Something_Smart]

Honestly it's mostly due to that marathon game lol. You played pretty similarly there to here.

oh jesus I'd mentally repressed that

I guess that's fair? I don't really agree that I played similarly and i'd question using marathon meta in general, but that seems like a natural read progression to me so I'm fine with that explanation

I'm keeping it very general. It's mostly your tone, how comfortable you are talking about mechanics, how much you try to pocket townies and point out towny things for towncred, how incisive your points are. This is the kind of thing I was townreading you for but it seems like you are equally capable of it as scum.

I don't know why Dann-scum would be content with having Urist as an IC.

I'm pretty sure Dann-scum would be more than content to IC the partner of the most scumread player in the game.

When was Gamm the most scumread player in the game? What?

You don't think so? Who's more widely scumread?

[Something_Smart]

Who's more widely scumread?

Or who WAS at the end of pre-dance, I should say.

[Taly]

Well, their flips would assuredly improve my perception of the game.

I'm not confident that both

Vedith/Fire

are town/town, and I'll be a bit annoyed if they are.

I don't think

Vedith

was necessarily clashing with me, I interpreted it as him deflecting attention from his analysis. 4402 - 4407 - 4413 and 4414 - 4418

*sigh*

I thought I made myself extremely clear in 4393 but I don't think that's been acknowledged.

[Dannflor]

I think you and DT had good amounts of suspicion. Maybe you less so towards the end. I just don't remember Gamma be singled out as top scum read, I should go back and reread some stuff.

[Dannflor]

i think i'm back to thinking brie is town

moment/brie and nd/dannflor

all 4 of those ppl are near 100%

NVM to what I said earlier about Brie

Just double checked and RC had gone back to thinking she was town

[Dannflor]

Vedith only has 4 individual townreads in a game of 16 players left alive and we are nearing 5000 posts in, and the only town/town pair to him consists of the person who just got IC'ed.

The only scum/scum pair he has consists of who the IC pushed the most Pre-Dance. (Urist on Dann)

His townread on me is least understated or understood out of the entire playerlist since the strongest townreads on me are meta based and we haven't played before to my memory.

I mean Vedith should try to explain his reads, and I think he said he'd address them once he got to a computer, so we can wait for that.

I do think you're both being tripped up a bit because Vedith's play style is much more focused on find scum than find town

[Taly]

He could've waited to get on his computer and reply to my initial post in the first place.

whatever, I'm going to take a break from the thread.

[Firebringer]

Fire isn't in your readslist either, so I can't evaluate how your pair has communicated outside of that you both are (jokingly?) wanting to suicide....I just don't understand your view of this game. You're not elaborating on the reads, and it feels artificial when you think I'm intimidating you into expanding on them.

As my friend told me in the PT.

You are being a dick. Stop it.

[Taly]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset anyone, I just wanted answers.

I'll be back tomorrow or Monday pending on my schedule this coming week.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just realized I left you out of the reorganization, lol.
[PvtUrist]
[Dr Worm, Moment]
[Pink Ball, Vedith, Firebringer, Taly]
[TheBrie, DoubtingThomas, Gamma Emerald, Dannflor] < null line
[Nancy Drew 39]
[Krazy]

Dude, those reads are whack. How do you have Dann, me and Krazy as your bottom three?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't know why

Dann

-scum would be content with having

Urist

as an IC.

That's essentially grounds to validate suspicion on

Dann

based off

Urists'

read, or an argument to make that happen.

It looks too easy.

Can you evaluate my back-and-forth with Vedith the past few pages and get back to me?

I'm not to sure what exactly you want me to evaluate.

It reads to me like clashing townies who just have different ways of approaching the game and don't necessarily have similar reads. It's best if you try to understand how/why Vedith is getting to his positions and reads (vice versa too), instead of arguing over methods.

I'm not arguing with him. I don't like how I've been portrayed as being forceful or aggressive.

I'm TRYING to understand him.

Why is

Vedith

town to you?

+1

I don't know why Dann-scum would be content with having Urist as an IC.

I'm pretty sure Dann-scum would be more than content to IC the partner of the most scumread player in the game.

Urist had Dann as his top scumread, like this makes no sense to me.

[Vedith]

I see more than 3 colors here. You didn't label or specify what each color meant.

Common sense would suggest that orange isn't null like yellow though.
Im sure you have been in enough games where people use the term town lean and Scum lean.

1) So what does orange and yellow mean in terms of your read? Dr. W is the same color as Krazy, so is he null too?
2) I don't follow your townread on me because a big portion of the stated reason behind it in this game is on meta, and we haven't played before.
3) Nancy/Dann are scum for you I'm guessing since they're red? But you're not pushing that? Nor the DT/TheBrie scumread?

1 - I already stated this
2 - when do I say because of meta? Why are you making up reasons here?
3 - I've already said about this.
I am unsure to why you are acting dumb in this situation?

I also don't follow because the last time you gave reads - Nancy was at the top. 489. I know this was awhile ago, but you gave no indication on how this changed... aside from maybe RC/Ank's NK?

Given that I requested Nancy dances with Krazy or Dann would be the indication that my opinion changed? I also said that my reads had changed more than once pre dance.
I didn't even have any other content during this point how did you miss It?

Fire isn't in your readslist either, so I can't evaluate how your pair has communicated outside of that you both are (jokingly?) wanting to suicide.

This is no joke. I had him as null but now Scum.

Also this, why ask Nancy for where she wants you to vote when you're not townreading them?

Again you are refusing to read what I am saying and I feel its intentional.
I have made it clear this was pre dance reads and that I am unsure on Nancy now.
However, if I think Scum I want to discuss with her opinions to learn the motives and see if I'm wrong.
People who don't interact with their Scum reads aren't trying to sort Scum in my opinion.
And I proved I do this with my interaction with Ank when I Scum read her.

Im not sure what this matters because I'm leaving the dance shortly.

Nice one trying to twist everything I said though and ignoring the main comments I'm making.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks
Btw I wrote this out in my PT with Pvt expecting to have some work to do on it and not wanting to post too much in the main thread with my ramblings but I think this is a good base so my reads rn are

Locktown
Pvt
Taly

Townreads
Krazy
Vedith

Weaker townreads
Nancy
Dann

Shades of null
Pink Ball
Something_Smart
Firebringer

Suspicious person
Moment

My top scumreads
Dr. Worm
DoubtingThomas
TheBrie

FYI each set IS ordered by towniest at the top except weaker townreads, which is ordered by recency because recency affects my confidence there.

@Vedith

[Nancy Drew 39]

I see more than 3 colors here. You didn't label or specify what each color meant.

Common sense would suggest that orange isn't null like yellow though.
Im sure you have been in enough games where people use the term town lean and Scum lean.

1) So what does orange and yellow mean in terms of your read? Dr. W is the same color as Krazy, so is he null too?
2) I don't follow your townread on me because a big portion of the stated reason behind it in this game is on meta, and we haven't played before.
3) Nancy/Dann are scum for you I'm guessing since they're red? But you're not pushing that? Nor the DT/TheBrie scumread?

1 - I already stated this
2 - when do I say because of meta? Why are you making up reasons here?
3 - I've already said about this.
I am unsure to why you are acting dumb in this situation?

I also don't follow because the last time you gave reads - Nancy was at the top. 489. I know this was awhile ago, but you gave no indication on how this changed... aside from maybe RC/Ank's NK?

Given that I requested Nancy dances with Krazy or Dann would be the indication that my opinion changed? I also said that my reads had changed more than once pre dance.
I didn't even have any other content during this point how did you miss It?

Fire isn't in your readslist either, so I can't evaluate how your pair has communicated outside of that you both are (jokingly?) wanting to suicide.

This is no joke. I had him as null but now Scum.

Also this, why ask Nancy for where she wants you to vote when you're not townreading them?

Again you are refusing to read what I am saying and I feel its intentional.
I have made it clear this was pre dance reads and that I am unsure on Nancy now.
However, if I think Scum I want to discuss with her opinions to learn the motives and see if I'm wrong.
People who don't interact with their Scum reads aren't trying to sort Scum in my opinion.
And I proved I do this with my interaction with Ank when I Scum read her.

Im not sure what this matters because I'm leaving the dance shortly.

Nice one trying to twist everything I said though and ignoring the main comments I'm making.

I can’t advise you on who to vote for, when I am still trying to decide that myself. I’m probably going to sheep my strongest townreads that I seem to be mindmelding the most with, on reads.

[Vedith]

@Vedith

Overall I think we're onto some sort of same page. just I'm left handed and you're right handed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Vedith

Overall I think we're onto some sort of same page. just I'm left handed and you're right handed.

Okay, Vedith, Gamma, why is Worm scum?

[Vedith]

Okay, Vedith, Gamma, why is Worm scum?

Again, worm is null.
I didn't say we have the exact reads. But Worm should be considered a lynch to anyone not town reading PB because worm is playing in character and character only.

[Vedith]

I just got in and going to write my post.
Anything people want to add?