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[Shoshin]

No, I actually just lost a game where I didn't get to post even once. So it was wrong of me to suggest lynching without letting people post. I appreciate your pushback.

[RadiantCowbells]

It was wrong of me to assume bad intentions.

[YellowSnow]

Is this mafia or spring formal?

[Tarkus]

I like it!

[CultOfAthena]

Dang, and I had thought up such a great RVS vote and everything.

[CultOfAthena]

Spoiler:

I know who you are Boon

And then I got my role pm.

Side note, I like how we’re not voting. I’m totally down to not have an RVS this game, and just start voting when it’s time to vote.

No.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

scumclaim

VOTE: Shoshin

Good. Radiant's obviously town.

VOTE: Morality

Nevermind she's town

So why are you voting her?

RCEnigma and Vedith lean scum. Morality lean scum + needs to die, so more votes here please

These are all pretty bad. Especially the second one is such a flimsy question to ask someone. I don't feel like there's a real depth of thought here, which actually does make me hesitate on calling it scumposting. The only reason I can see up to this point for scumreading Vedith is the "I was scared of getting a vote on me". The RCEnigma scumread for not voting seems similarly level 0. It's just... none of those things are scummy, and this account pings alt a lot harder than it pings "newbie who scumreads the most basic things".

Scumlean.

[CultOfAthena]

Hi its me your town

Its probably a good thing since I haven't played mafia in forever

RCEnigma reminds me of me as scum making awkward early posts

Leaning town on Boats and Cowbells

Was Morality's claim tongue in cheek? I can't tell

Interested to hear your rationale on both of those townreads – quick check through your ISO didn't show any elaboration.

[CultOfAthena]

Oh yeah... Aura is an IC.

[RadiantCowbells]

hi omg hello

will you sign my shoes

[RadiantCowbells]

those words are put together but i don't think they actually add up to anything

what's your read on me and what's your read on morality

[Yachting n Socializing]

Spoiler:

I know who you are Boon

And then I got my role pm.

Side note, I like how we’re not voting. I’m totally down to not have an RVS this game, and just start voting when it’s time to vote.

No.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

scumclaim

VOTE: Shoshin

Good. Radiant's obviously town.

VOTE: Morality

Nevermind she's town

So why are you voting her?

RCEnigma and Vedith lean scum. Morality lean scum + needs to die, so more votes here please

These are all pretty bad. Especially the second one is such a flimsy question to ask someone. I don't feel like there's a real depth of thought here, which actually does make me hesitate on calling it scumposting. The only reason I can see up to this point for scumreading Vedith is the "I was scared of getting a vote on me". The RCEnigma scumread for not voting seems similarly level 0. It's just... none of those things are scummy, and this account pings alt a lot harder than it pings "newbie who scumreads the most basic things".

Scumlean.

Not voting in your RVS posts points towards scum. That is not something that is relevant in a lylo decision, but for RVS when I'm trying to create content it is enough to prod on. I did my job and got the game out of RVS very quickly.

[CultOfAthena]

Spoiler:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10487889 townie here, voted fourth post

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10682792 townie, voted first post

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78318 scum here, didnt place a vote for a long time.

metadiving is very slow on mobile, but why havent you voted here? I'll finish this later. I have only looked at the 3 most recent decent length games so far, ignoring the meme game.


I looked at Vedith earlier and couldn't find not replace in games, but he barely voted in any of them and I saw a couple full games without a vote so I'll call it NAI for him.

Morality next.

Wow... terrible meta, no offense. The situations just aren't comparable. The scum game you point to he replaced in a decent part into the game as opposed to the town games where he started in basically RVS.

Did you look at this to support your theory of his not voting being scummy, or was it something that you already knew? If it was, why not open up with the meta "case"?

with no vote thrown down

I mean what can I say- this game doesn't have a traditional RVS so joking around is kind of out of the point.
I'd vote on an existing wagon to generate pressure but I doubt the players of this caliber would even blink at that.

And I'd really like to be able to you know- do something useful this game, so I'm asking all you cool kids to give me literally anything to go on.

Gut townreading this.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I'm just going to wait until you're caught up because you're angering me.

[RadiantCowbells]

oof

[Yachting n Socializing]

I have only looked at the 3 most recent decent length games so far

And this is your answer, in a post you quoted.

[RadiantCowbells]

here's a spicy thing i just changed my read on

i think that boats n hoes is actually town

[RadiantCowbells]

so whats that now

aura vorkuta yellowsnow rc shoshin coa boatsnhoes

as like

decent townreads

that's solve innit

[CultOfAthena]

those words are put together but i don't think they actually add up to anything

what's your read on me and what's your read on morality

No real read on either of you yet as far as I've read.

Spoiler:

I know who you are Boon

And then I got my role pm.

Side note, I like how we’re not voting. I’m totally down to not have an RVS this game, and just start voting when it’s time to vote.

No.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

scumclaim

VOTE: Shoshin

Good. Radiant's obviously town.

VOTE: Morality

Nevermind she's town

So why are you voting her?

RCEnigma and Vedith lean scum. Morality lean scum + needs to die, so more votes here please

These are all pretty bad. Especially the second one is such a flimsy question to ask someone. I don't feel like there's a real depth of thought here, which actually does make me hesitate on calling it scumposting. The only reason I can see up to this point for scumreading Vedith is the "I was scared of getting a vote on me". The RCEnigma scumread for not voting seems similarly level 0. It's just... none of those things are scummy, and this account pings alt a lot harder than it pings "newbie who scumreads the most basic things".

Scumlean.

Not voting in your RVS posts points towards scum. That is not something that is relevant in a lylo decision, but for RVS when I'm trying to create content it is enough to prod on. I did my job and got the game out of RVS very quickly.

Do you actually believe that scum are more likely to not vote in RVS than town are?

[RadiantCowbells]

starting to think my shoshin townread is too easy based on me being very quizzical of her ever, ever saying to lynch someone before creature/coa should post but meh

[CultOfAthena]

I have only looked at the 3 most recent decent length games so far

And this is your answer, in a post you quoted.

I don't think this actually answers any question that I just asked.

[CultOfAthena]

starting to think my shoshin townread is too easy based on me being very quizzical of her ever, ever saying to lynch someone before creature/coa should post but meh

I can't wait to get to the part of the thread where someone calls me scum for not posting yet.

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

for the record it felt like the game had been going on for like days

[CultOfAthena]

Well, reading some of this is definitely taking years off of my life span, so that's something I can see.

[Yachting n Socializing]

so whats that now

aura vorkuta yellowsnow rc shoshin coa boatsnhoes

as like

decent townreads

that's solve innit

You have Snow as town?

those words are put together but i don't think they actually add up to anything

what's your read on me and what's your read on morality

No real read on either of you yet as far as I've read.

Spoiler:

I know who you are Boon

And then I got my role pm.

Side note, I like how we’re not voting. I’m totally down to not have an RVS this game, and just start voting when it’s time to vote.

No.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

scumclaim

VOTE: Shoshin

Good. Radiant's obviously town.

VOTE: Morality

Nevermind she's town

So why are you voting her?

RCEnigma and Vedith lean scum. Morality lean scum + needs to die, so more votes here please

These are all pretty bad. Especially the second one is such a flimsy question to ask someone. I don't feel like there's a real depth of thought here, which actually does make me hesitate on calling it scumposting. The only reason I can see up to this point for scumreading Vedith is the "I was scared of getting a vote on me". The RCEnigma scumread for not voting seems similarly level 0. It's just... none of those things are scummy, and this account pings alt a lot harder than it pings "newbie who scumreads the most basic things".

Scumlean.

Not voting in your RVS posts points towards scum. That is not something that is relevant in a lylo decision, but for RVS when I'm trying to create content it is enough to prod on. I did my job and got the game out of RVS very quickly.

Do you actually believe that scum are more likely to not vote in RVS than town are?

Its a fact, yes. Another one is that scum are more likely to sit on vanity wagons, and scum are more likely to vote statically and end their day not voting. This obviously is just a wide tell that won't apply to everyone, but its something to start the game off with. Catch up, I dropped the Vedith point when I looked through his games and the RCE one when he linked examples of him not voting as town and voting as scum.

I have only looked at the 3 most recent decent length games so far

And this is your answer, in a post you quoted.

I don't think this actually answers any question that I just asked.

It is "terrible meta" because I was on my phone clicking through a couple games, his most recent ones. They are the first examples. I planned on looking more later from a computer to see if it was relevant. And, I'd say I did a damn good job of kickstarting the game.