Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Dannflor]

Why does scum!PB argue for you/Taly, me/Dann as endgame pairs? I’m not following.

Yea. My thought process basically is:

1. I'm super confident at this point that Krazy, Taly, and Nancy are all town. I'm not gonna let my paranoia chip away here. If I'm wrong, that's something I'll have to deal with eventually, but I'm confident enough to not deal with this at all until endgame.

2. Operating off that assumption, the other three pairs need to go at some point. I'm not too sure the order really matters. I was thinking maybe DT/PB/Gamma yesterday, but it also could be DT/Moment/Gamma or some similar combination.

Either way, PB can't make it to end game because of his interactions with DT, he'll be too easy of a lynch if he's town. And it makes me feel good that he's recognized that. Basically, as long as the two pairs I'm confident are town survive to endgame, the order of the other flips doesn't matter too much. However, we should probably try to get most probable scum first. Right now I'm leaning towards Gamma, but I'd like to wait for PvT to chime in.

[Pink Ball]

It was a list with pairing suggestions, not reads. I don't get what you're not getting.

The end of day pairings were based on reads... so the logical structure of your list makes no sense from a town!PB pov

No. It was a pairing list, not a readlist. You're reaching. And I'm starting to get concerned. What the fuck are you trying to acomplish with this if I'm telling you that I'll leave the dance?? If you think I'm scum, I don't win the game by leaving my partner alone at endgame: the endgame fellas have the chance to get him. So what the hell are you doing? Are you scum??

[Krazy]

Krazy in what universe I suggest this as scum. You want me lynched and I'm telling you I'm gonna leave either way so you don't have to worry about it. I already said I'm sorry for being wrong on DT and I agree I'm a liability, so I'm leaving. I was trying to help town by seeing what scum suggests as the final pairing. You're making not sense at all

I haven't really been advocating anyone leaving the dance. Obviously, that is a choice you can make. But right now Dann just said that he wants Moment to go first just because he's townreading you for saying you're going to leave the dance. So I want to see whether Dann comes back to your wagon or whether he actually puts a vote down on M-TB.

I still want to have VCA later and I want to see people's reasonings for supporting you going or not.

I disagree with the assertion that the final solve is obvious at this point.

VOTE: PB

[Gamma Emerald]

If Gamma is town here, it's because she has not used the phrase "mite of meta" once to present a nonsensical towncase/scumcase.

I don't know if that actually makes her town, but it is one of her tics as scum to almost always say some sort of nonsense about meta in lieu of a read based on the game itself.

Still thinking about that slot but still think I want PB more today.

I've never used that exact phrasing EVER so lol ok

[Dannflor]

I mean at this point PB has been backed into not surviving until end game. That only makes sense as a scum play if his partner is one of Taly/Krazy/Nancy and I'm operating off the assumption these are all town until I'm proven otherwise.

[Krazy]

Well my main concern was locking in endgame pairs before a few flips but I’m still not seeing why that makes him scum.

If he is town, it perhaps makes sense, if he thinks he is going to go.

But we also need to consider the possibility he is scum, and assumes he will be the next flip.

In that case, his strongly pushing for a pair of endgame pairings is to produce wifom and paranoia about those pairings.

So until I actually see his flip and know he's town, I frankly don't know what agenda is actually trying to advance right now.

[Pink Ball]

What a fucking joke.

@Nancy, Dann and Taly, if the game's not over after the six flips, lynch Krazy.

Also, force votes on the other two pairs if they are not leaving by themselves. @Urist, you'll have to help with that. Don't leave before Moment and TheBrie.

Leave the dance

[Nancy Drew 39]

For those who are considering Gamma as scum, who do you think the third is?

As for end game pairings, I've said this. Town read on Moment has improved since then, but I think I'm still okay with this.

Reads, I meant reads.

Nancy/Dannflor - both town. I know them a little, they don't feel like scum here, and I trust them to read each other.

Taly/Krazy - Taly is my strongest townread. Krazy not quite as strong, mostly because of the doubt of others, but my gut says town.

Those are the pairs I'd like left. I feel much more confident in Krazy town, than Moment town.

What Gamma's been saying, pushing Moment and I, seems to put her and Moment as SvT. They're not scum together, and my PoE says it's quite unlikely they're both town.

I agree, it’s highly unlikely that two scums are paired together.

[Dannflor]

I haven't really been advocating anyone leaving the dance. Obviously, that is a choice you can make. But right now Dann just said that he wants Moment to go first just because he's townreading you for saying you're going to leave the dance. So I want to see whether Dann comes back to your wagon or whether he actually puts a vote down on M-TB.

I'm second guessing myself all over the place right now, so this might sound bad, but I think I'm leaning towards Gamma first now. I want to see her case on Brie though.

[Krazy]

I've never used that exact phrasing EVER so lol ok

Subject: NY 213 - Game Over!

VOTE: texcat
eh after a mite of meta I think tex has a decent chance of being scum

Come on Gamma, don't you remember how we met?

That's a grade A example of a Gamma Emerald bus btw guys in case you're wondering what they look like

I guess we could also talk about the phrasing of the whemestar bus, "fuck it I think he's scum" that one's nice too

[Dannflor]

@Nancy, Dann and Taly, if the game's not over after the six flips, lynch Krazy.

Also, force votes on the other two pairs if they are not leaving by themselves. @Urist, you'll have to help with that. Don't leave before Moment and TheBrie.

Leave the dance

well I guess this flips town

good bye my love

sorry I doubted you

[Krazy]

What a fucking joke.

@Nancy, Dann and Taly, if the game's not over after the six flips, lynch Krazy.

Also, force votes on the other two pairs if they are not leaving by themselves. @Urist, you'll have to help with that. Don't leave before Moment and TheBrie.

Leave the dance

I could have sworn I just said I was casing you to get VCA on your wagon and reasonings in regard to your slot but ok

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why does scum!PB argue for you/Taly, me/Dann as endgame pairs? I’m not following.

Yea. My thought process basically is:

1. I'm super confident at this point that Krazy, Taly, and Nancy are all town. I'm not gonna let my paranoia chip away here. If I'm wrong, that's something I'll have to deal with eventually, but I'm confident enough to not deal with this at all until endgame.

2. Operating off that assumption, the other three pairs need to go at some point. I'm not too sure the order really matters. I was thinking maybe DT/PB/Gamma yesterday, but it also could be DT/Moment/Gamma or some similar combination.

Either way, PB can't make it to end game because of his interactions with DT, he'll be too easy of a lynch if he's town. And it makes me feel good that he's recognized that. Basically, as long as the two pairs I'm confident are town survive to endgame, the order of the other flips doesn't matter too much. However, we should probably try to get most probable scum first. Right now I'm leaning towards Gamma, but I'd like to wait for PvT to chime in.

I don’t understand why scum!PB argues for you/me, Taly/Krazy endgame pairings. I didn’t think it was wise prior to a few flips but that doesn’t make him scum. I’m becoming really concerned that PB is very likely a mislynch/lhf here.

[Krazy]

I still want to have VCA later and I want to see people's reasonings for supporting you going or not.

Yeah I'm not imagining it, I did literally just say this

[Krazy]

Not even giving Worm a chance for final reads is like...

I mean I understand if you're tilted with me right now but I don't see how that was pro-town, respectfully

[Pink Ball]

<3 to everyone. Krazy you having a case on me doesn't say anything about you; my suggestion had no scum sense at all and you still being paranoid about me is scummy. Good luck everyone!! Dann, I will remember youuuu (8)

Pedit: not tilted I love you

[Nancy Drew 39]

It was a list with pairing suggestions, not reads. I don't get what you're not getting.

The end of day pairings were based on reads... so the logical structure of your list makes no sense from a town!PB pov

No. It was a pairing list, not a readlist. You're reaching. And I'm starting to get concerned. What the fuck are you trying to acomplish with this if I'm telling you that I'll leave the dance?? If you think I'm scum, I don't win the game by leaving my partner alone at endgame: the endgame fellas have the chance to get him. So what the hell are you doing? Are you scum??

I don’t see why scum!you would do that. Scum!you doesn’t have the fire I’ve seen here in those two scumgames I skimmed of yours. I think PB is town here. Krazy, wtf?

[Pink Ball]

And there's no need of reads if you follow my instructions.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy in what universe I suggest this as scum. You want me lynched and I'm telling you I'm gonna leave either way so you don't have to worry about it. I already said I'm sorry for being wrong on DT and I agree I'm a liability, so I'm leaving. I was trying to help town by seeing what scum suggests as the final pairing. You're making not sense at all

I haven't really been advocating anyone leaving the dance. Obviously, that is a choice you can make. But right now Dann just said that he wants Moment to go first just because he's townreading you for saying you're going to leave the dance. So I want to see whether Dann comes back to your wagon or whether he actually puts a vote down on M-TB.

I still want to have VCA later and I want to see people's reasonings for supporting you going or not.

I disagree with the assertion that the final solve is obvious at this point.

VOTE: PB

I vote no!

[Krazy]

I don’t see why scum!you would do that. Scum!you doesn’t have the fire I’ve seen here in those two scumgames I skimmed of yours. I think PB is town here. Krazy, wtf?

Yeah I wanted to give him a chance to change my mind dude

It's a game where we talk about reads, I'm not going to suddenly stop scumreading him just because he said he's leaving, and I wanted to give other people a chance to towncase him and change my mind

This is precisely why I said I don't want people leaving the dance, because now if he is genuinely townreading me he just made me look like absolute shit simply because he didn't want to talk through my case

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean at this point PB has been backed into not surviving until end game. That only makes sense as a scum play if his partner is one of Taly/Krazy/Nancy and I'm operating off the assumption these are all town until I'm proven otherwise.

I think you’re wrong here. I don’t see what he gains by doing this as scum.

[Krazy]

And there's no need of reads if you follow my instructions.

This is literally how House was in the final pairings last time

[Krazy]

I think you’re wrong here. I don’t see what he gains by doing this as scum.

I think Dann was saying that he thinks PB might be town, hence his unvote

[Krazy]

This might be the longest a game has gone without Fakegod posting a flip, I think he secretly had a bot that alerted him to like any bolded text or something he's usually so fast.

[Pink Ball]

I tried to talk to you, Krazy. What you didn't realize is that I wasn't trying to get townread or change your mind; what's the point if I wouldn't go to endgame because it would be pro scum? I didn't make you look bad here sweetie, you made it yourself. I'm sorry if you're town, good luck if you are <3