Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Taly]

Taly

You're pretty strong on Taly > Dancefloor at this point?

Because I've been the most vocal at refuting

Gamma's

posts.

[Dannflor]

Taly

You're pretty strong on Taly > Dancefloor at this point?

It's just so weird considering she distinctly had Taly as lock town and Dancy as weak town reads coming into the dance.

[Gamma Emerald]

Taly

You're pretty strong on Taly > Dancefloor at this point?

Yeah
I haven't really had reason to question my read on Dann compared to Taly

[Taly]

Taly

You're pretty strong on Taly > Dancefloor at this point?

Yeah
I haven't really had reason to question my read on Dann compared to Taly

Where was that reply you promised? The one directly to my case on you?

[Dannflor]

Thanks
Btw I wrote this out in my PT with Pvt expecting to have some work to do on it and not wanting to post too much in the main thread with my ramblings but I think this is a good base so my reads rn are

Locktown
Pvt
Taly

Townreads
Krazy
Vedith

Weaker townreads
Nancy
Dann

Shades of null
Pink Ball
Something_Smart
Firebringer

Suspicious person
Moment

My top scumreads
Dr. Worm
DoubtingThomas
TheBrie

FYI each set IS ordered by towniest at the top except weaker townreads, which is ordered by recency because recency affects my confidence there.

I mean I'm almost at null here

[Taly]

Taly

You're pretty strong on Taly > Dancefloor at this point?

Yeah
I haven't really had reason to question my read on Dann compared to Taly

Where was that reply you promised? The one directly to my case on you?

This is probably my first rhetorical post of the entire game.

[Krazy]

How much more time do you want Gamma? If you're like, "give me X time to respond to Taly" I will give you that time. I definitely feel like you're getting bombarded with posts right now which might not be the best time for coherent responses, although I did say I was going to hammer you 7 minutes ago and I usually am pretty dedicated to countdowns.

If you can make a strong case for M-TB going before you, then I will definitely hear you out there.

Like, I've clearly stated I wanted M-TB first. If it is {M-TB} + Taly, you think I should leave the dance on Taly over lynching Dancefloor?

[Taly]

I think I'll come back to the thread if a change in plan for townbloc happens or when a lynch occurs.

I'm just being a bit antagonistic here, and I think the game is solved until proven otherwise.

[Krazy]

Ok well, if you don't say you want a specific amount of time to respond to Taly in (expired on 2019-02-20 18:30:38), I'm just going to hammer then now that you've kinda had the chance to check in.

[Krazy]

Gamma, I <3 u

VOTE: GAMMAMERALD

Would you kindly flip scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well shit
Keep what I've said in mind

[Nancy Drew 39]

i shot that

TW

N1 and he was the jailkeeper - he townread me

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098

in SUPP, he was scum who shot me N1 - i survived to N2 because i had a passive delay utility - i townread him hard tho X_X

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76441

in Echo Bay GRITS, he was an SK and i was one of the mafia groups

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76118

in another game i forgot was when i kind of flaked D:

(but i also replaced in lol)

....

TW

was an SK and i was a heavily scumread townslot

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=76637

now you guys understand

how

TW

and I can very - very easily deathtunnel the other in a game.

In post 2756, Taly wrote:
the worst, baby, I shot you N1. I love you, sorry. <3

you'd better feel bad Taly ~tw

[Nancy Drew 39]

Unfortunately, I have reasons that I can’t elaborate on, both for my Dann townread and my Brie paranoia. I will meta him, to see if that changes but I have really strong reasons to townread Dann here. Like, I’m more confident on Taly but yes that and play, mechanically - Urist IC, Allo being wrong on every scumread so far, RC read and I really can’t see the sincerity and conviction in his posts, as easily fakable. Do you have some scumgames of his, that contradict that? I don’t want to be wrong here but so far, I don’t think I’m seeing Dann!scum here.

I would encourage you to meta me if you have the time. My only completed scum game is from 2012 unfortunately, but looking at some of my recent town games might help strengthen your read. I only say this because on the off chance the game doesn't end with Gamma/Brie gone, I want everyone to have the strongest possible reads they can get. I'll likely be doing the same for you once I get time.

Yes, I think that’s wise and yes, I have been pressed for time but I will try to meta you, soon as I have some time.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think we're overthinking.

Perhaps we should pause if

Gamma

flips town, but I sincerely, seriously, doubt a deepwolf is amongst us 4. My mind will literally break if that happens.

And so

TB

- by gameplay, associative, and PoE is scum.

I know, it seems really difficult to fathom.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town [Taly, Gamma, Vedith, Krazy, Ankamius]
Lean Town [Pink Ball, Alisae, Firebringer, RC]
Mixed [Nancy]
Null [TheBrie, Doubting Thomas, Dr Worm, Moment]
Leaning Scum [PvT]
Scum [Allomancer]

Alright let's play "can we meta Dann while only discussing towngames"

Uhhh... Dann, can you explain why you did not color-code your reads list in this game but you did in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10691036

and

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10618196

I feel like that's actually kinda a garbage argument but it's the only thing that catches my eye in the t-8 minutes before I hammer Gamma.

And it's not like you wouldn't color code a reads list as scum because I 'feel strongly' you would LOL, guess it's just a question of when you really started 'solving' in this game I guess vs. in a more normal game

Thanks, saves me time. *Bookmarking this, for later.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I highly doubt anyone who scumread

Urist

at any point Pre-Dance would've been OK to IC him.

Taly dude, have you forgotten that scum IC’d Urist?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Since Gamma just got here I guess I won't cut her off mid-post.

But given I did give a 4 hour warning on ITH... and I feel most of my arguments have been refuted more or less...

If Gamma agrees that if she flips green

, we continue on to M-TB, then I think we just go for it?

What? Why?

How does this make sense to you?

Why would town!Gamma’s opinions affect anything?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Taly

You're pretty strong on Taly > Dancefloor at this point?

It's just so weird considering she distinctly had Taly as lock town and Dancy as weak town reads coming into the dance.

Taly

You're pretty strong on Taly > Dancefloor at this point?

Because I've been the most vocal at refuting Gamma's posts.

Both Taly and Dann have.

[Taly]

I highly doubt anyone who scumread

Urist

at any point Pre-Dance would've been OK to IC him.

Taly dude, have you forgotten that scum IC’d Urist?

No I'm meaning, anyone who scumread

Urist

Pre-Dance likely isn't scum at all XD Because I find it hard to think that scum would push against

Urist

if they planned to IC him, especially later in Pre-Dance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I highly doubt anyone who scumread

Urist

at any point Pre-Dance would've been OK to IC him.

Taly dude, have you forgotten that scum IC’d Urist?

No I'm meaning, anyone who scumread

Urist

Pre-Dance likely isn't scum at all XD Because I find it hard to think that scum would push against

Urist

if they planned to IC him, especially later in Pre-Dance.

Okay, that makes way more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Thanks
Btw I wrote this out in my PT with Pvt expecting to have some work to do on it and not wanting to post too much in the main thread with my ramblings but I think this is a good base so my reads rn are

Locktown
Pvt

Taly

Townreads
Krazy
Vedith

Weaker townreads
Nancy
Dann

Shades of null
Pink Ball
Something_Smart
Firebringer

Suspicious person
Moment

My top scumreads
Dr. Worm
DoubtingThomas
TheBrie

FYI each set IS ordered by towniest at the top except weaker townreads, which is ordered by recency because recency affects my confidence there.

I mean I'm almost at null here

How is Taly now one of your strongest scumreads?

This ISO reads like a hodgepodge of reads without really much thought put into it.
But the Taly 180, stands out to me more than anything.

[TheBrie]

ISOed Moment. I can't see a scum motivation for anything there. The doubt I had back before I accepted him was mostly paranoia over being pocketed, and wondering if I liked him just for his style.

And now I sound flakey, and people won't believe I was actually willing to leave.

[TheBrie]

Scum is more likely in Krazy/Taly than Dann/Nancy.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.11

Krazy - Taly [0] -
Dannflor - Nancy Drew 39 [0] -
Moment - TheBrie [0] -

PvtUrist - Gamma Emerald [5] - Taly, Dannflor, TheBrie, Nancy Drew 39, Krazy [LYNCH]

Not Voting [3]

- Moment, PvtUrist, Gamma Emerald

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-02-24 01:00:00)

[FakeGod]

PvtUrist, who was

Town

Gentleman

, has

left

in

Second Dance

.

Gamma Emerald, who was

Mafia

Lady

, has

left

in

Second Dance

.