Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Gamma Emerald]

Fire stop you're being a jackass. I've had a moment where I felt mistreated as scum (though this was on a more personal level it's still valid, also came after my flip). The feeling was very genuine and I was pretty sure about it. So its 100% feasible for Nancy to have felt genuinely targeted. What I'm seeing from her is she's saying she didn't want to have another mental breakdown. So you either need to understand that or shut the fuck up and never play with me or Nancy again.
PEdit: hold up is DT the worst?

Stop empathizing with a person who is behaving like a child.
I get your still a kid but you need grow up and realize just because someone might have genuine feelings doesn't excuse their actions.

First off I'm 19, second don't talk down to me like that, third it makes a ton of sense that she'd want to avoid another ment all breakdown. That's the core of what I'm getting that and if you can't see that you're a psychopath and I dont want to associate with you. Sorry to use such charged words but it really describes how I feel about you rn.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Fire stop you're being a jackass. I've had a moment where I felt mistreated as scum (though this was on a more personal level it's still valid, also came after my flip). The feeling was very genuine and I was pretty sure about it. So its 100% feasible for Nancy to have felt genuinely targeted. What I'm seeing from her is she's saying she didn't want to have another mental breakdown. So you either need to understand that or shut the fuck up and never play with me or Nancy again.
PEdit: hold up is DT the worst?

Stop empathizing with a person who is behaving like a child.
I get your still a kid but you need grow up and realize just because someone might have genuine feelings doesn't excuse their actions.

If you don’t stop this, I will take action. I don’t have to put up with your abuse.

[the worst]

hold up is DT the worst?

That would be very neat, but nah

[Krazy]

Stop empathizing with a person who is behaving like a child.

Yeah you need to stop giving Nancy shit. Your play this game was about 1000x worse in my book. You made us backpedal on the strategy for dance 1 by pairing without looking at your rolecard, and you goaded a T/T pair into leaving by completely flaking on your PT.

Like you can't give Nancy shit for emotional manipulation *when you manipulated Vedith into wasting his slot*.

So no, sorry, Nancy played incredibly well given she was in a role she didn't want, with a teammate she actively disliked.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Fire stop you're being a jackass. I've had a moment where I felt mistreated as scum (though this was on a more personal level it's still valid, also came after my flip). The feeling was very genuine and I was pretty sure about it. So its 100% feasible for Nancy to have felt genuinely targeted. What I'm seeing from her is she's saying she didn't want to have another mental breakdown. So you either need to understand that or shut the fuck up and never play with me or Nancy again.
PEdit: hold up is DT the worst?

Stop empathizing with a person who is behaving like a child.
I get your still a kid but you need grow up and realize just because someone might have genuine feelings doesn't excuse their actions.

First off I'm 19, second don't talk down to me like that, third it makes a ton of sense that she'd want to avoid another ment all breakdown. That's the core of what I'm getting that and if you can't see that you're a psychopath and I dont want to associate with you. Sorry to use such charged words but it really describes how I feel about you rn.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[FakeGod]

People, please stay civilized and don't make me lock the thread.

Nancy, this is a very serious matter since your attempted replace out, whether intentionally or unintentionally, affected at least Dannflor's decision to read you as town in LyLo. (

and thus could have decided the game!

)

I (or anyone else) can't prove that your replace out was strategic or not, but your action

did

compromise your slot, since at least one player in the game decided to read you as town for that action.

I hope you understand what you have done, Nancy. Replace outs are

not

part of the game. Whether you meant to or not, the moment you made that post, the game was

compromised

, since even if I replaced your slot, other people's read on the slot will still be affected by your replace out.

[Dannflor]

blah I feel like such a fool

dead thread and PTs are interesting to read though

it was a fun playerlist overall

Thanks for the game everyone and

thank you FG

for modding this interesting setup

[Ankamius]

I learned a lot from this game

[Firebringer]

Stop empathizing with a person who is behaving like a child.

Yeah you need to stop giving Nancy shit. Your play this game was about 1000x worse in my book. You made us backpedal on the strategy for dance 1 by pairing without looking at your rolecard, and you goaded a T/T pair into leaving by completely flaking on your PT.

Like you can't give Nancy shit for emotional manipulation *when you manipulated Vedith into wasting his slot*.

So no, sorry, Nancy played incredibly well given she was in a role she didn't want, with a teammate she actively disliked.

My play can definitely be criticized man. If you think what I did is comparable to what Nancy did, I don't even know man.

These are like two different universes. If you want to go into a discussion about it. Hit me up on discord and I can lay out in greater detail of how on the ethical spectrum they aren't even in near the same league.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Stop empathizing with a person who is behaving like a child.

Yeah you need to stop giving Nancy shit. Your play this game was about 1000x worse in my book. You made us backpedal on the strategy for dance 1 by pairing without looking at your rolecard, and you goaded a T/T pair into leaving by completely flaking on your PT.

Like you can't give Nancy shit for emotional manipulation *when you manipulated Vedith into wasting his slot*.

So no, sorry, Nancy played incredibly well given she was in a role she didn't want, with a teammate she actively disliked.

And everything that I posted about that game was true. I almost didn’t want to play when I saw him on the playerlist but I’m cool with him now. I had no idea, he was going to throw that in my face but he did warn me in scumchat, he was going to do something brutal. I just had no idea what. But I couldn’t have done it without both DT and Gamma, so thanks you guys for taking the fall for me, so that I was set up to win. I couldn’t have done it alone.

[Auro]

it was the tunnelling that freaked me out, because that’s what happened in MBoS and I had a total meltdown in that game and that’s the game I should have replaced out in

Being pushed strongly is part of the game, though, is it not?
Why make the mod PM FireBringer for pushing you? O.o

[Nancy Drew 39]

People, please stay civilized and don't make me lock the thread.

Nancy, this is a very serious matter since your attempted replace out, whether intentionally or unintentionally, affected at least Dannflor's decision to read you as town in LyLo. (

and thus could have decided the game!

)

I (or anyone else) can't prove that your replace out was strategic or not, but your action

did

compromise your slot, since at least one player in the game decided to read you as town for that action.

I hope you understand what you have done, Nancy. Replace outs are

not

part of the game. Whether you meant to or not, the moment you made that post, the game was

compromised

, since even if I replaced your slot, other people's read on the slot will still be affected by your replace out.

I didn’t intend that I swear. I thought I was hurting the game and I was being toxic. I honestly didn’t know what to do. I’m telling you the truth. I didn’t want to get banned and I didn’t know what to do because of what happened in that other game. I didn’t try to compromise anything. I didn’t want to ruin the game for everyone.

[Dannflor]

I'm gonna go hit myself with a shovel for a while and think about what I've done

goodnight all

[Nancy Drew 39]

People, please stay civilized and don't make me lock the thread.

Nancy, this is a very serious matter since your attempted replace out, whether intentionally or unintentionally, affected at least Dannflor's decision to read you as town in LyLo. (

and thus could have decided the game!

)

I (or anyone else) can't prove that your replace out was strategic or not, but your action

did

compromise your slot, since at least one player in the game decided to read you as town for that action.

I hope you understand what you have done, Nancy. Replace outs are

not

part of the game. Whether you meant to or not, the moment you made that post, the game was

compromised

, since even if I replaced your slot, other people's read on the slot will still be affected by your replace out.

I didn’t intend that I swear. I thought I was hurting the game and I was being toxic. I honestly didn’t know what to do. I’m telling you the truth. I didn’t want to get banned and I didn’t know what to do because of what happened in that other game. I didn’t try to compromise anything. I didn’t want to ruin the game for everyone.

What do you think I should have done? I wasn’t even thinking straight at the time and I’m truly sorry about that. I probably should have taken a break after that other game but I honestly thought I was over it. I was very wrong. It was bad judgment on my part not to take a break. I don’t know what else to tell you. MBoS temporarily wrecked me.

[Ankamius]

I'm gonna go hit myself with a shovel for a while and think about what I've done

goodnight all

that's what I did when I got my PT and the first thing I saw was RC going essentially "HEY YOU IDIOT YOU'RE AN IDIOT"

and all I could say was "yeah I'm an idiot sorry"

[FakeGod]

Nancy, if you are being sincere, then I want an apology and a promise.

Apology, because I don't know what happened with MBoS, but if your mentality was that much shaken, then you shouldn't have signed up for another game until you recovered. Signing up for a game and then leaving is an insult to the mod. Have you considered my feelings when you decided to leave the game less than 24 hours after we started?

Promise, because no mod, myself included, wants a player who will compromise a slot like that under pressure. I believe Firebringer played a

fair and honest game of mafia

during the time leading up to your replace out. You yourself couldn't point to the posts he made prior to your replace out that offended you. I need to know that you won't do that again the next time you come under pressure.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, if you are being sincere, then I want an apology and a promise.

Apology, because I don't know what happened with MBoS, but if your mentality was that much shaken, then you shouldn't have signed up for another game until you recovered. Signing up for a game and then leaving is an insult to the mod. Have you considered my feelings when you decided to leave the game less than 24 hours after we started?

Promise, because no mod, myself included, wants a player who will compromise a slot like that under pressure. I believe Firebringer played a

fair and honest game of mafia

during the time leading up to your replace out. You yourself couldn't point to the posts he made prior to your replace out that offended you. I need to know that you won't do that again the next time you come under pressure.

Yes, as you know, it was the posts after that I took issue with. Yes, I’m sorry. If I am ever that emotionally distraught over another game like I was over MBoS, I will not sign up for any games until I recover. If there was any game I needed to replace out of, it was MBoS but I didn’t. I had a meltdown in that game, for the first time in my history of playing mafia and I am still extremely embarrassed over how I conducted myself in that game. I very much doubt what happened in that game, will ever repeat itself anyway but yes, I promise and I’m sorry for way overreacting to that, in YOUR game. It won’t happen again.

[Firebringer]

There we go. Now we can all move on.

[Firebringer]

TY for the game FakeGod.

Besides that other stuff I thought you played pretty good Nancy. Gamma and DT were okayish.

I was hyped to be town in 2 dances in a row. Thoguht Id def get scum.
I wonder if this ends the dance meta of me leaving a partner.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm gonna go hit myself with a shovel for a while and think about what I've done

goodnight all

You didn’t do anything wrong. You have nothing to feel bad about. I don’t understand why you wanted to leave after moment/Brie flip.

You had no idea that I was scum and not Krazy/Taly.

I not too recently lost the game for town in Overkill 2, because of both swingy mechanics and rashly hammering at LYLO without talking to DVa first and I got a lot of abuse heaped on me by Cerb because of that post-game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

TY for the game FakeGod.

Besides that other stuff I thought you played pretty good Nancy. Gamma and DT were okayish.

I was hyped to be town in 2 dances in a row. Thoguht Id def get scum.
I wonder if this ends the dance meta of me leaving a partner.

Thanks I really appreciate that coming from you. You know I rolled scum twice in the same game, except the first time, it was with tw and Adelbert Stenner. Like, what are the odds?

I’m sure I’m at great risk for being mislynched in every game now. I went through that after Heroes Wanted, except this time, it will obviously be a gazillion times worse.

[Krazy]

neither is hey i blame this loss on the person who had the least ability to influence it

But you did influence it -- in the dead thread you admit that your end of pre-dance reads were political reads governed by survivalism, when there was no way for the living players to know that. You created a massive distraction in pre-dance purely governed by survivalism, which contributed to a demoralizing gamestate which created a smokescreen for other high levels of AtE or anti-town behavior.

Like you can't say "oh I called all the wolves from dead thread" and also say you lied about every strong pairing when by now you know well enough that a significant portion of the player base will take your end of day reads seriously.

It does not become easier to focus on threatened replace-outs when you are threatening to suicide on my top townread, while simultaneously saying that your 'deepscum' concerned read is locktown when you have the second most experience playing with that player out of basically anyone in the list.

Like I think it's true that town outplayed town here. While my comment about "blaming RC" was really just a parody of BrianSkies "just faith in RC" point at the end of Witches Ball, it really did not help me that you obfuscated ALL of your reads and not just TheBrie. It gave me the impression that your read of Taly was unexamined since you had exclusively focused on reading me as scum, which made it significantly more difficult to get out of Taly/Dann as the deepwolf possibilities.

[Nancy Drew 39]

blah I feel like such a fool

dead thread and PTs are interesting to read though

it was a fun playerlist overall

Thanks for the game everyone and

thank you FG

for modding this interesting setup

No, I fooled everyone. You shouldn’t feel bad. I’m sorry I couldn’t have been your

town

partner. I would have much preferred that tbh.

[Krazy]

Literally the only reason I *didn't* replace out when you said you were leaving Ank was because I had already nuked the previous dance, but you threatening to suicide on my top townread made me incredibly demoralized, RC.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Blah, it doesn't feel great, but I'm not bent out of shape about it. I think I should have had the ability to recognize scum!Nancy replacement request or no replacement request and I just didn't play well enough.

@Dann I actually did replace out as town in that MU game that DT brought up and I incurred a three month signup ban because of it.