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[Shoshin]

RC, why are you pushing Creature over DDL?

[DrDolittle]

DDL, what do you think of Creatures last string?

Extremely unexciting

I meant as you had him as a town lean but I am confident this is his scum game.

like i could be wrong and i would cede to more familiar meta players... but in a vacuum based on my own experiences and reads, I have him on a lean town read

[Yachting n Socializing]

RC, why are you pushing Creature over DDL?

DDL is probably town and Creature isnt so that may be a start.

[DrDolittle]

i meta'd shoshin's normals briefly, and her play is pretty curt compared to previous (both scum and town), which might indicate a lack of time these days. I didn't find anything particularly salient, other than town-shoshin is more likely to follow up with unanswered q's (sample size 2), and scum-shoshin is more interested in trivialities (sample size 1). Given this, I think I more scum lean shoshin this game due to meta?

[DrDolittle]

@bird

Would anyone be interested in a tasty yellow or cowbell wagon

Please when you end up never getting shot as conftown realize that it's because of your reads and start listening to other people's

this seems to be familiar https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2475 (BBT flipped town later)

just enjoy the game and continue doing your reads or whatever even if other people call you bad. I really regretted replacing out of that 1685 as IC (it was my only voluntary replace out) and I think I would have done better than the replace-in just by virtue of being more informed of what's going on.

Oh boon mod'ed that game too!

[Yachting n Socializing]

i meta'd shoshin's normals briefly, and her play is pretty curt compared to previous (both scum and town), which might indicate a lack of time these days. I didn't find anything particularly salient, other than town-shoshin is more likely to follow up with unanswered q's (sample size 2), and scum-shoshin is more interested in trivialities (sample size 1). Given this, I think I more scum lean shoshin this game due to meta?

Perhaps, but it isnt where we are lynching today.

Radiant should be nicer about that too though. I have seen much worse ICs than Aura is playing, depending how flips go of course. At least hes actually following along and not apathetic due to the shit role IC is.

[Yachting n Socializing]

@bird

Would anyone be interested in a tasty yellow or cowbell wagon

Please when you end up never getting shot as conftown realize that it's because of your reads and start listening to other people's

this seems to be familiar https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2475 (BBT flipped town later)

just enjoy the game and continue doing your reads or whatever even if other people call you bad. I really regretted replacing out of that 1685 as IC (it was my only voluntary replace out) and I think I would have done better than the replace-in just by virtue of being more informed of what's going on.

Oh boon mod'ed that game too!

Lol RC pushed so many town here that's fucking great

[RadiantCowbells]

Holy fuck in what universe would you guys be sitting around shit talking any other player for a 3 year old game? The answer is that you wouldn't.

Lay the fuck off.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just going to sub out if this is how the game is going to go. If that's fine with everyone present then that's fine with everyone present but don't continue to join games with me.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I mean it in good jest, please dont sub. I already said I like playing with you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't enjoy playing games where policy lynches against me are being advocated that aren't related to my abilities as town, personal attacks are being made, and I'm getting shit on for a game that happened 3 years ago.
I feel like all of these separate incidences would simply not happen if I was anyone else on this site. Treat me like I'm that anyone else on the site that doesn't have to deal with all of it, or don't play with me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know all the Vorkutas and whoever of MS. I can't cherry pick my /ins around some random person I have never fucking said a word to before advocating a policy lynch against me.

[RadiantCowbells]

And no, BnH, because this isn't

about

whether I've explained my reads or not. This is 1 incident to you and 1 incident to Vorkuta but it's a soul crushing pattern of bullshit to me.

[Yachting n Socializing]

The only person to bring up policy lynching you is Vorkuta, and he dropped it quickly. Nobody made personal attacks that I rememebr, and I dont see that as shitting on you but tbf you did try to lynch an IC as town... lol. Please be less sensitive. Prove to Vorkuta that town RC gets scum lynches and is worth keeping around. For lack of a better word, dont be a... I dont know if I can say bitch on this site because mods are... and so it goes.

Answer my stuff on the last page. And talk about game content please, I dont read the vibe in the thread as anti RC even a little.

[RadiantCowbells]

The only person to bring up policy lynching you is Vorkuta, and he dropped it quickly.

it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you can keep acting like I'm being a bitch or whatever. Say it. Say I'm being a bitch because this is just two small things. Two individual pieces of bullshit.
The issue isn't this game, the issue has never been this game. The issue is that every single fucking game that I play has people pulling this shit. I don't get away from it.
Stepping in dog shit once is whatever, when you end up with dog shit on your foot every time that you walk home from work it starts to become a problem. This is that problem. This is a pattern that needs to end.

[Yachting n Socializing]

And no, BnH, because this isn't

about

whether I've explained my reads or not. This is 1 incident to you and 1 incident to Vorkuta but it's a soul crushing pattern of bullshit to me.

Yes, I know this happens to you. I addressed it earlier in the thread . The only thing you can do to make people not talk about PLing you is to perform as town. That is it. So perform if you're town here like I think you are, we already have 1 caught and the game is pretty PoE'd. And if you're scum, I don't get this blowup at all because Vorkuta and Aura are correct to shade you and you have no right to get this mad? Which actually tells me you're probably town here cause scum has no reason to be this offended.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think if my friends were like most people's friends we'd just policy lynch him for saying it. We'd policy lynch the Varsoons of the world every time they do that shit.
This shit would stop happening if the people who should be sticking up for me weren't being useless bystanders who refuse to stick up for me and they should really stop doing that.

I don't get this blowup at all because Vorkuta and Aura are correct to shade you

1) I didn't care about Auro shading me. Because it was an alignment thing. Because he has bad reads and one of those bad reads were on me. I told him that in the later game he should listen to other people and I think that I was well within my rights in doing so. I don't think that was a personal attack on anyone or even a statement that his reads are always bad as opposed to them being nad now.

2) I do, really care, about Vorkuta, but not because he shaded me. IDGAF about shade I do care about people proposing policy lynches on me. I have 1 trigger on MS and I end up facing it in 60% or so of my games.

[RadiantCowbells]

And Shoshin? I'm voting creature because he's scum. I shouldn't need to say anything else and I find it difficult to believe that you can't see that.

[Yachting n Socializing]

Like you can keep acting like I'm being a bitch or whatever. Say it. Say I'm being a bitch because this is just two small things. Two individual pieces of bullshit.
The issue isn't this game, the issue has never been this game. The issue is that every single fucking game that I play has people pulling this shit. I don't get away from it.
Stepping in dog shit once is whatever, when you end up with dog shit on your foot every time that you walk home from work it starts to become a problem. This is that problem. This is a pattern that needs to end.

Play on alts a lot like I do then. You probably know who I am, and I have a very high record as both alignments so I change alts a lot to mitigate that. I know you don't really think I'm a great player but I and most do, and some people fear lynch my main which is why this happens. I also havent played mafia much for the past 2 years, or at all in a while, so theres yhat. Theres ways around a reputation if that's what you want. If you choose to play on your main, you're a respected scum player and very aggressive, and this is a side effect of that. I dont have sympathy. I understand subbing situationally from emotion, but this has been a soft game and I will lose respect for you if you dip here. I will also hold you accountable if we get a garbage sub


And Vorkuta did not even vote you, so give him slack. I've stalked him a bit, he seems like a pretty promising newbie and that is not the kind of person we want to turn off this dying site.

[RadiantCowbells]

If he's a player who we actually want to stick around he should end up understanding why what he did was shitty and learn from it and not do it again.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's literally the end of the story for me here.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I told him off. He listened. Dont hold a grudge over something that little please. PLing has its place but yes its shitty in situations like this, and it's also shitty to refuse to explain things.

Anyways I know RC fakes anger as scum but this feels genuine so I'm calling him a top TR now

[Not Known 15]

CultOfAthena has been prodded.

[Vorkuta]

he should end up understanding why what he did was shitty and learn from it and not do it again.

Understood and acknowledged