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[Creature]

From top of my head, Morality, YellowSnow and Boots are all town.

[Creature]

Spoiler: This is all hot garbage

Hey what's up hello this is my entrance

VOTE: roomy

I played scum with yellow in a recent game AMA

the vorkuta comment is in no way backed up by anything concrete, I just wasn’t entirely sold on his vedith vote. seemed a little left field

Do you disagree with his characterization of vedith? I thought it was pretty accurate

Alright. What's obvious about your read on Yellow?

Scroll up lol. Boon is Morality

Pretty sure BnH was talking about missed or ignored questions asked in 127 and 129, not 193. But you get the general idea I think unless there's something I'm missing too

Idk seems reasonable that Morality missed those questions but recognized the tunneling going on

YellowSnow seems obviously scummy.

Maybe a little too obvious

if anything.

I caution against this type of reasoning wrt Yellow

I like it!

Yellow leans scum for me. I'm not really buying his hop onto Morality and BnH as coming from town when he was townreading them and scumreading RC, Roomy, & Creature. Then he was like gg ez after the reads flip?

@Yellow What changed for you?

ah you noticed me!

Do you still believe that morality v bnh is SvS?

^^@Yellow

Ok. Why are you voting morality?

well presumably he scumreads morality

wait is that how this works?

I think yellow was way too eager to hop on board and push the scum theater idea, and now he's backtracking

I think yellow was way too eager to hop on board and push the scum theater idea, and now he's backtracking

I'm not backtracking. I still think it could very well be SvS and I said as much.

You said "I think it's possible. Not really sure of their meta though." That's a pretty far backtrack from your attitude in your postings around 293, 339, etc

VOTE: YellowSnow

Sorry that you rolled red again, doesn't feel like you're being genuine in this one

what am i missing senpai? inb4 "he's town"

Vedith why are you so different from our last game?

@_@

swaggy answer, I dig it

RC I'll chill on yellow for today and let you do your thing. If I'm right you'll see it eventually. You're not hitting scum if you lynch me though and we should do roomy or creature instead.
UNVOTE:

Roomy lynch would give us more to go on tomorrow

Distancing is a decent bet, they both scumread each other pretty early. And I think roomy is one of the scummier players in his own right.

VOTE: Vedith

DrDo hasn't shifted my read on that slot. I'm liking CoA for town

Who's your strongest scumread?

Who do you think is scum DRD?

Bruh lol
776

Who's your strongest scumread?

And now I realize this was a dumb question
Scratch that DrDo, talk to me about RCE?

kk well

don't like the vedith wagon even though i really think we should policy lynch him sooner rather than later.

VOTE: Creature

boooooo
Come on over yellow a seat just opened up

Agree! Maybe even three? But probably not

Want to give me a scum-likeliness ranking of those slots?

Leaning that way but he's a tough one for me to get a read on so far

Alrighty, sweet dreams
UNVOTE:

Creature
DDL
Vedith
RCE
CoA
Me

Is that to Vedith? Cause I don't agree that there can only be one scum there

gottem

Choose you one, couldn't decide which were the worst.

[Creature]

I don't remember that much about roomy, but I think he's town based off Tarkus spew and/or gamestate.

[Creature]

Oh, DrDolittle is town too

[Creature]

Shoshin is really underwhelming and it's unlikely the real reason is lack of time.

[Creature]

VOTE: Creature btw.

So RC not voting creature despite hyping him up as today's Lynch pinged me in retrospect. Running creature up spews his alignment as obvtown or kbvscum. Which kind of splits the Poe he keeps bringing up.

On top of that I could see RC setting up for late game already, his Poe is part of it, reluctance to Lynch what he called the power slots is another. It gives ScumRC wiggle room late so he can't be poe'd based on the strong players being nightkilled and RC remaining. Which would be one of the stronger points against him.

But yeah back to creature, I think if Creature is town RC is getting town to push creature for him. Or decide not to push him at all since he knows creatures alignment becomes clear close to a Lynch.

lmao, which of these is the worst?

[Creature]

Vorkuta is leantown, probably not lynching for a while.

[Creature]

CoA's posts aren't as terrible as tarkus, Shoshin and/or RCEnigma and I feel tempted to townlean her, but the lack of activity is NAGL.

[Creature]

I dunno about RC and Vedith, should probably look at them if the game doesn't end with tarkus, Shoshin and RCEnigma lynches.

[Yachting n Socializing]

VOTE: Tarkus

tbh I cant recall scum Creature even faking the amount of content he has now as low as it is. and I've seen town creature lurk to the point this Creature has. this is all I was waiting for. If hes scum, itll be evident long term but I dont wanna lynch there anymore.

[Yachting n Socializing]

CoA's posts aren't as terrible as tarkus, Shoshin and/or RCEnigma and I feel tempted to townlean her, but the lack of activity is NAGL.

RC said she lurks out as scum, do you find that true? The little content she does have seems townie to me in tone and in pushes

[Creature]

Towncore:
YellowSnow
Creature
Aurathebirb
Morality
Boats n Hoes
DrDolittle

Townlean:
CultofAthena
Vorkuta

Snowflakes:
RadiantCowbells
Vedith

Garbage:
RCEnigma
Shoshin
Tarkus

[Creature]

CoA's posts aren't as terrible as tarkus, Shoshin and/or RCEnigma and I feel tempted to townlean her, but the lack of activity is NAGL.

RC said she lurks out as scum, do you find that true? The little content she does have seems townie to me in tone and in pushes

Yes and I agree with the latter, hence why I wrote the post like that.

[Yachting n Socializing]

i meta'd shoshin's normals briefly, and her play is pretty curt compared to previous (both scum and town), which might indicate a lack of time these days. I didn't find anything particularly salient, other than town-shoshin is more likely to follow up with unanswered q's (sample size 2), and scum-shoshin is more interested in trivialities (sample size 1). Given this, I think I more scum lean shoshin this game due to meta?

Perhaps, but it isnt where we are lynching today.

Radiant should be nicer about that too though. I have seen much worse ICs than Aura is playing, depending how flips go of course. At least hes actually following along and not apathetic due to the shit role IC is.

I could totally get behind a Shoshin. Why is “this isn’t where we’re lynching.” Even a thing that’s said here on Day 1.

You think I'm town? then we arent lynching there d1. just go with it.

[Yachting n Socializing]

Spoiler: Enjoy

They were Shoshin, for pointing the L-1

Shoshin:
1. Shoshin has only 37 posts, so that's a minus.
2. Started with a naked vote, another minus.
3. Progression on RC looks fake, another minus.
4. Next five posts are nothing interesting, another minus.
5. Three naked votes in a row, doesn't mean shit.
6. 287 looks bleh, another minus.
7. Jumped too early on the hypothesis I'm town, another minus.
8. I got tired reading her posts, another minus (but NAI this time).

and CoA, because of his vote on himself.

CultOfAthena:
1. Only 16 posts, a minus obv.
2. 380 is a tryhard, another minus.
3. 382 is ???
4. I like 386, that's a plus.
5. I got tired here too.

First

Why not both?

Town.

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

Town

hi shoshin
hi coa

dance for me

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Good. Radiant's obviously town.

VOTE: Morality

???

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

are we policy lynching this today, or day before lylo?

VOTE: Morality

Bad

Should be ashamed

RCEnigma and Vedith lean scum. Morality lean scum + needs to die, so more votes here please

Still bad

4 posts and 8 posts without voting is gross.

Who's alt is RCEnigma?

lol this

Three of these guys are scum that means.
YellowSnow
Creature
Vorkuta
Boats n Hoes
roomy
Tarkus

lmao no

Wow I haven't posted and I'm already being scumread. A lot of Pages for me To read.

VOTE: yellowsnow

VOTE: YellowSnow

YellowSnow
RCEnigma
Morality
Tarukus
Boats N Hoes
Vedith
Shoshin
CultOfAthena
Aurathebirb
Vorkuta

roomy
Creature
RadiantCowbells

Nice try

Better than other lists

How is Aura conftown?

My bad didn't see mod cofirm.

Town derp?

If Marality and Boats are scum, and the third scum is roomy or Vedith that puts town in a pretty good spot.

I can see this.

It's probably Morality Snow Creature.

Nope

RC I'll chill on yellow for today and let you do your thing. If I'm right you'll see it eventually. You're not hitting scum if you lynch me though and we should do roomy or creature instead.
UNVOTE:

Bad

VOTE: Creature
He has been online.

Probtown post

Hi Creature I'm confirmed town I think \o/

Why?

A whole page of creature-posting. What is there not to like?

The lack of attention to it.

Okay DrDo you're hardtown

Actually I think shoshin RCE is s/s.

Could see.

How do we know creature is scum?

False confidence.

that pool just looks like you put 5 names together

This.

In the mean time if you can all also rate each other on where you think Scum would most likely be in those names (including me) that will help.

Alrighty, sweet dreams
UNVOTE:

Creature
DDL
Vedith
RCE
CoA
Me

Bad.

So what has creature done that is scummy other than not being active?

Nothing, I suppose scum can't drop their agenda now.

CultOfAthena has been prodded.

Real scum lurking.

And this is useless rambling as I think you're town now but half of these arent reads -_-

[Creature]

VOTE: tarkus

[Creature]

Spoiler: Enjoy

They were Shoshin, for pointing the L-1

Shoshin:
1. Shoshin has only 37 posts, so that's a minus.
2. Started with a naked vote, another minus.
3. Progression on RC looks fake, another minus.
4. Next five posts are nothing interesting, another minus.
5. Three naked votes in a row, doesn't mean shit.
6. 287 looks bleh, another minus.
7. Jumped too early on the hypothesis I'm town, another minus.
8. I got tired reading her posts, another minus (but NAI this time).

and CoA, because of his vote on himself.

CultOfAthena:
1. Only 16 posts, a minus obv.
2. 380 is a tryhard, another minus.
3. 382 is ???
4. I like 386, that's a plus.
5. I got tired here too.

First

Why not both?

Town.

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

Town

hi shoshin
hi coa

dance for me

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Good. Radiant's obviously town.

VOTE: Morality

???

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

are we policy lynching this today, or day before lylo?

VOTE: Morality

Bad

Should be ashamed

RCEnigma and Vedith lean scum. Morality lean scum + needs to die, so more votes here please

Still bad

4 posts and 8 posts without voting is gross.

Who's alt is RCEnigma?

lol this

Three of these guys are scum that means.
YellowSnow
Creature
Vorkuta
Boats n Hoes
roomy
Tarkus

lmao no

Wow I haven't posted and I'm already being scumread. A lot of Pages for me To read.

VOTE: yellowsnow

VOTE: YellowSnow

YellowSnow
RCEnigma
Morality
Tarukus
Boats N Hoes
Vedith
Shoshin
CultOfAthena
Aurathebirb
Vorkuta

roomy
Creature
RadiantCowbells

Nice try

Better than other lists

How is Aura conftown?

My bad didn't see mod cofirm.

Town derp?

If Marality and Boats are scum, and the third scum is roomy or Vedith that puts town in a pretty good spot.

I can see this.

It's probably Morality Snow Creature.

Nope

RC I'll chill on yellow for today and let you do your thing. If I'm right you'll see it eventually. You're not hitting scum if you lynch me though and we should do roomy or creature instead.
UNVOTE:

Bad

VOTE: Creature
He has been online.

Probtown post

Hi Creature I'm confirmed town I think \o/

Why?

A whole page of creature-posting. What is there not to like?

The lack of attention to it.

Okay DrDo you're hardtown

Actually I think shoshin RCE is s/s.

Could see.

How do we know creature is scum?

False confidence.

that pool just looks like you put 5 names together

This.

In the mean time if you can all also rate each other on where you think Scum would most likely be in those names (including me) that will help.

Alrighty, sweet dreams
UNVOTE:

Creature
DDL
Vedith
RCE
CoA
Me

Bad.

So what has creature done that is scummy other than not being active?

Nothing, I suppose scum can't drop their agenda now.

CultOfAthena has been prodded.

Real scum lurking.

And this is useless rambling as I think you're town now but half of these arent reads -_-

Even if they aren't, the other half easily beats most other players.

[Morality]

I’m being pocketed by Creature.

[Morality]

Replace RCEnigma with COA, and I could see that being the scum team if Creature’s town.

If Creature’s scum then he’s probably been throwing a scummate under the bus. Probably Shoshin

[Morality]

Creature also left Shoshin a way to get “unscumread” so I could see Shoshin/Creature pairing.

[Yachting n Socializing]

Creature busses frequently as scum iirc, but I think this is town Creature.

[Yachting n Socializing]

Towncore:
YellowSnow
Creature
Aurathebirb
Morality
Boats n Hoes
DrDolittle

Townlean:
CultofAthena
Vorkuta

Snowflakes:
RadiantCowbells
Vedith

Garbage:
RCEnigma
Shoshin
Tarkus

heh, very very close to my reads. swap vorkura and snow, and morality and rc, and maybe move ddl to town lean it's on the line.

[YellowSnow]

What is COA and Soshin's scum meta?

[Yachting n Socializing]

@RC, Creature read now? Do you agree with me?

[Aurathebirb]

I mean I really don't like to be this reliant on meta-reads. So I'm probably going to take everything that people say in that area with a grain of salt.

Any scum player is going to attempt to replicate their town meta as scum. And the fact that Creature's scum meta has been labeled as very obviously different from his town meta means that he can easily fake being town if he wants to. (That said, see below)

Similarly, I'm hesitant about any entirely meta based reads of players who are considered to be very good. Someone in that category of player would know what kind of things they are likely to be town read for. I'd be more curious to know if anyone looks like they're playing to their town meta, but in a way that looks forced.

I'm not for policy lynching anyone. I don't even know who would constitute a policy lynch.

---

Upon reread of Creature's ISO, I'm inclined to lean towards him being town right now.

*waits the perfect time to make a come in*

*can't decide the best way to make the first post*

In particular the way Creature enters the thread is not consistent with what I'd expect from scum. It takes a very long time for him to offer a reason for his previous absence, and he doesn't really defend himself when pushed.

Say one name, I'll try to make atleast 5 lines (or 5 posts) about them.

Asking for other people to do part of the work for him leans towards town sided for me as well.

---

I changed my mind on Creature and RC being a possible S/S, that doesn't make as much sense now imo.

Creature's other posts seem slightly town like. I don't really see anything that sticks out as very scummy either. While I'm not very confident about my town read on him I also don't think its a good idea to lynch him at the present time.

If anyone still wishes to push Creature, I'd like to hear a less meta reason for why its a good idea. The reasoning of the main argument against him seems quite flimsy.