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Post Post #1000 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:23 am

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In post 999, Aurathebirb wrote:nd the fact that Creature's scum meta has been labeled as very obviously different from his town meta means that he can easily fake being town if he wants to. (That said, see below)
Just advice to you as a player: if over hundreds of games he has not easily faked being town, that means it is safe to read him on meta. Law of averages or occams razor or w.e the cool term is.

Could you post your confident reads Aura? You're ic so I dont need a long write up.
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Post Post #1001 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:39 am

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In contrast with Creature there is Yellowsnow. I think that this is my preferred lynch, unless I see anything in my reread that gives me pause.
In post 172, YellowSnow wrote:Wow I haven't posted and I'm already being scumread. A lot of Pages for me To read.
His first post has already been pointed out as scummy, don't think I need to elaborate much there.
In post 177, YellowSnow wrote:I can feel the love.
In particular I don't see this response to being pushed so quickly out of the gate coming from town.
In post 180, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 155, RadiantCowbells wrote:shoshin wheres ur scumread so i can lynch them with you
VOTE: radiantcowbells
Seems forced, almost looks like he put out a vote just so nobody would call him out for not having one.
In post 293, YellowSnow wrote:If Marality and Boats are scum, and the third scum is roomy or Vedith that puts town in a pretty good spot.
I particularly don't like this post and I think its definitely worth an explanation.
In post 310, YellowSnow wrote:Are mods more likely to replace non posting scum than town?
Weird out of place questions really make me think scum. They sort of seem like a scum player who couldn't think of anything else to say and didn't want to come out aggressive. Look at YellowSnow's ISO and see how many of his posts are these kinds of questions. It reminds me of the first few times I played as scum and didn't know what to do.
In post 322, YellowSnow wrote:I agree town is in a good spot right now. We just need to keep our eyes on the ball.
Gross
In post 494, YellowSnow wrote:And...the obligitory OMGUS vote.

if this doesn't confirm me as town I don't know what does. My vote's staying on Morality the rest of the day. (unless something significant changes).
Slight pause on this, doesn't seem like a scum post but still overall a net negative read.
In post 690, YellowSnow wrote:Considering switching my vote to creature but kinda making me queasy because he did this exact same thing last game and was town.
I like to learn from my mistakes.
He hasn't done anything to help us though.
Don't like the inclusion of the middle sentence.

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@Boats and Hoes

Wouldn't rely on that too much, but fair for now.

Moderate scumread: Yellow, Cowbells
Light scumread: RCE
Not sure/ Need to reexamine: Boats, Tarkus, DrDo, CoA
Light townread: Creature, Shosin
Moderate townread: Vedith, Vorkuta, Morality

I definitely need to reread some stuff, might read the whole thread again tbh.
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Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:48 am

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I think 690 is a pretty good post if Creature is town. Hypothetical scum!Snow had ample opportunity to take the easy mislynch and didnt. Some of it is bad yea, its a fine line between mislynch bait and scum.

You seriously have RC as scum after last night? I dont see that one at all personally.
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Post Post #1003 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:49 am

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It seems to me you're just looking for reasons to scumread me. Why wouldn't I want to learn from my mistakes? The alternative is not learning from my mistakes.
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Post Post #1004 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:30 am

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In post 1002, Yachting n Socializing wrote:I think 690 is a pretty good post if Creature is town. Hypothetical scum!Snow had ample opportunity to take the easy mislynch and didnt. Some of it is bad yea, its a fine line between mislynch bait and scum.

You seriously have RC as scum after last night? I dont see that one at all personally.
So you’re saying ScumRC isn’t capable of pulling the wool over people’s eyes Day 1?
“DON’T GET BOGGED DOWN IN HIS SWAMP OF WIFOM!” - Chip Butty to guiltied Scum Morality. Spoiler, they sunk.

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Post Post #1005 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:33 am

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Dont ask stupid questions.
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Post Post #1006 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:33 am

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Aura you scumread the people not trying to appear townie to you and townread the people who are trying to appear town.
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Post Post #1007 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:34 am

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As in I truly feel like your reads are the opposite of correct.
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Post Post #1008 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:36 am

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My ability to aid town wincon from a position of being heavily scumread is negligible.

I'm going to check out of the game until either enough of my townreads have been flipped to get my reads taken seriously or I get lynched and my townflip gets my reads taken seriously because I can't engage with this game in any positive way right now.
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Post Post #1009 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:37 am

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Ehh, scum doesn't always eagerly jump on the mislynch. A lot of time scum are the ones who hesitate so they can get points when the mislynch bait flips town. The "learn from mistakes" thing is tone related. It just seems very in your face. Its inclusion in that context set off a buzzer for me.

Yeah, RC's posts last night didn't move him towards town. If anything, went a bit the other way.

Vedith is not trying to appear town. Morality isn't trying to appear town.

Yellow and Cowbells are. At least, from what I see.

Cowbells just seems like he's trying to guilt people into town reading him.
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Post Post #1010 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:40 am

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Just vote me out then.
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Post Post #1011 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:41 am

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I can literally give you a post my flip Poe pool that will win the game if you stop using your own reads which are pretty trash and should be proven so with my flip.

Our lose condition is you lynching my townreads. Don't do that
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Post Post #1012 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:43 am

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@aura are "trying to appear town" and "being town" mutually exclusive? Shouldn't town try to appear town?
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Post Post #1013 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:46 am

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In post 998, Yachting n Socializing wrote:@RC, Creature read now? Do you agree with me?
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Post Post #1014 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:48 am

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No what he's saying is just wrong.

Creature is trying to appear town. Town creature doesn't try to appear town. Town creature solves and don't give a fuck about towntelling. Town creature doesn't appeal to me to townread him he says fuck you if you're town you'd townread me and speedvotes me if I don't. Aura is not able to differentiate between trying to appear town and being town like most ppl on this site it seems like.

Activity isn't AI for Creature anymore. Drive to game solve is. This game is actually far more certain scum than him just lurking because him lurking could be just busy. He only wants to sort people in this game under prompting, he has no motivation to solve the game, he's scum.

I can cite several very long creature isos in his scumgame and they all look like this.
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Post Post #1015 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:50 am

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To me townblocking is a major part of townwinning and towntelling is a major part of townblocking.
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Post Post #1016 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:50 am

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Oh I didn't even read the last page anymore because I was so frustrated about the scumreads on me. That's maybe town ok
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Post Post #1017 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:53 am

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CoA is probably not wolf despite inactivity
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Post Post #1018 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:53 am

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aura is third to the bottom on activity so maybe she is intimidated by people who post.
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Post Post #1019 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:54 am

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Whatever I'm getting tilted out of the game
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Post Post #1020 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:55 am

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In post 1009, Aurathebirb wrote:Ehh, scum doesn't always eagerly jump on the mislynch. A lot of time scum are the ones who hesitate so they can get points when the mislynch bait flips town. The "learn from mistakes" thing is tone related. It just seems very in your face. Its inclusion in that context set off a buzzer for me.

Yeah, RC's posts last night didn't move him towards town. If anything, went a bit the other way.

Vedith is not trying to appear town. Morality isn't trying to appear town.

Yellow and Cowbells are. At least, from what I see.

Cowbells just seems like he's trying to guilt people into town reading him.
I just disagree with you then, nowhere to really go from there. You're right, scum don't hop on easy wagons all the time like the Creature one, I just figure new scum is more likely to. And I think you may be coming from a place of confbias as isoing often does, but like I said before, Snow does have a lot of questionable stuff and there ess a time I wanted him lynched too. You should vote Snow if you think hes scum, I disagree that it is likely to flip red but it's not a hill I'm going to die on.

I dont know what RC meand by trying to appear town so no comment there. I am a Psych graduate student, and I look at motivations when I'm dcumhunting. AtE is about getting triggered, and the source of the trigger was most likely RC's ego being upset his town game is being called into question. I just don't see much of a scum motivation for RC to get upset there, and outright fake ate is possible but RC was/is at 0 votes so I dont see a scum motivation for faking it altogether. I'm mobile posting so this isnt as coherent as I would like.
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Post Post #1021 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:02 am

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In post 1016, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh I didn't even read the last page anymore because I was so frustrated about the scumreads on me. That's maybe town ok
that's, as in creature?
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Post Post #1022 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:02 am

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Sure.
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Post Post #1023 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:05 am

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RC
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Still all town
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Post Post #1024 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:07 am

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CoA is the one I don't get.
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