In post 928, DrDolittle wrote:i meta'd shoshin's normals briefly, and her play is pretty curt compared to previous (both scum and town), which might indicate a lack of time these days. I didn't find anything particularly salient, other than town-shoshin is more likely to follow up with unanswered q's (sample size 2), and scum-shoshin is more interested in trivialities (sample size 1). Given this, I think I more scum lean shoshin this game due to meta?
Perhaps, but it isnt where we are lynching today.
Radiant should be nicer about that too though. I have seen much worse ICs than Aura is playing, depending how flips go of course. At least hes actually following along and not apathetic due to the shit role IC is.
@DDL
yeah but I'm down with morality's reaction test, not on shoshin, but on certain 3rd parties
This is where I'm at on this game. Aura, Vorkuta, Enigma, Radiant, and COA are my strongest townreads. I won't consider lynching here unless everyone else is dead. And I think there's reasons to scumread every other player in the game.
I'm trusting Radiant that Boats/Snow is town, at least for today. I was scumreading Boats because his analysis is so mechanical, almost reminds me of someone like Mathblade, but I'm willing to let that go for the moment. I had Snow as strong town earlier but after reading through one of his scum games I don't feel comfortable with that read anymore. I think the way he quickly changed course on his reads was opportunistic in precisely the same ways he was opportunistic as scum, plus I think his forgetfulness about Aura isn't as towny as I thought on first impression.
I have Tarkus as null. He feels less scummy than his play in one of his scum games, but I need to check his town games because he's still lurking here in ways that resemble scum.
Vedith is playing like trollish scum. I have nothing to say on this because despite scumreading his slot, I've been told his is just how he plays by Radiant. So, again, I'm willing to leave this slow alone for today.
I scumread Morality from the start of the game. I thought he was trying too hard in the early parts of the game, cluttering the game with tons of pointless posts, and he hasn't actually made any attempt to scumhunt. His recent posts trying to cast me as scum aren't great either, especially since he seems to be doing the typical scum thing of ignoring large aspects of what I'm doing so that he can make me look scummy. Radiant agrees with this read, so Morality is up for lynching as far as I'm concerned.
roomy gave me strong vibes. I thought the fact that he replaced out after just a small amount of bickering from two players felt fake, especially since it didn't even involve him. DDL's play has been shit. His meta on me is crap. His attempt to scumread both me and Enigma is based entirely on dumb details that have nothing to do with alignment (e.g. his notion that haven't been following up on things when I'm actually following up on everthing, just not necessarily shitting the thread up with all my thoughts). I think he's scumreading me and Enigma based on associative tells rather than actual scumhunting (e.g. me and Enigma are townreading each other, so it seems like we're a team, even though there's actaully really good reasons for each of us to be townreadig each other).
Creature lurked out the first parts of the game, then entered the game posting lots of crap, superficial and shitty scumread on me that he should know better than to hold, especially after Starcraft Mafia, so who knows? I don't feel like he's been making a fair attempt at trying to read me, at least in the ways he usually will do. I also think Creature usually makes more of an attempt to fairly read lower post count players like myself, so the fact that he isn't doing that here is very concerning. He's probably scum.
If I had to guess a scumteam, I'd guess Creature, DDL, Morality (coincidence that they're all scumreading me?), and if those are wrong, it's Vedith with maybe Boats/Snow/Tarkus.
In post 1001, Aurathebirb wrote:In particular I don't see this response to being pushed so quickly out of the gate coming from town.
In particular I don't see exaggerated responses to being pushed to be any alignment indicative as players can overreact to pressure regardless of alignment.
you say, hey drdo bring me some objective evidence. i bring you objective evidence. now you say this objective evidence is crap. at least give some reasoning behind why its crap
In post 1003, YellowSnow wrote:It seems to me you're just looking for reasons to scumread me. Why wouldn't I want to learn from my mistakes? The alternative is not learning from my mistakes.
I don't understood what you meant. It lacks cohesion with the rest of the post. Why did you feel the need to include that there?
In post 928, DrDolittle wrote:i meta'd shoshin's normals briefly, and her play is pretty curt compared to previous (both scum and town), which might indicate a lack of time these days. I didn't find anything particularly salient, other than town-shoshin is more likely to follow up with unanswered q's (sample size 2), and scum-shoshin is more interested in trivialities (sample size 1). Given this, I think I more scum lean shoshin this game due to meta?
The idea that I'm "more likely to follow up with unanswered q's" is provably false. Please provide specific game examples where I followed up on more unanswered questions as town than as scum.
in the town games, if you search response/respond, there's a lot of hits, and a brief glance indicating shoshin cares about people's responses to her questions and how they react to comments. In the scum-game I link, there is no hits to response/respond. You guys can verify yourself if you want...
I also don't really see the incentive to lie here? Of course sample size is small, so variance could play a role
You haven't shown me any examples of UNANSWERED questions that I DID NOT FOLLOW UP ON AS SCUM. Please prove that there was a MEANINGFUL difference between my TOWN/SCUM games, which is what you claimed earlier.
