Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Vorkuta]

Leading questions are by nature yes/no questions.

i.e- "When did you stop beating your wife?"- a textbook example of a yes/no leading question....
But whatever- let's get back to the game at hand

-As you can see in my reads list, I do not explicitly town/scum read Morality or RC. I don't think I'm going to be able to do so, and I'm hoping they resolve eventually.
-If you're referring to the anime-ego-battle between them, this can go either way. From what I understand, both players are more than capable of pulling such a performance with AtEs, manufacturing rage/drame, 'vote fluidity', regardless of their actual alignment, and I doubt I'll be able to sift through what's horseshit and what's genuine. Based on this ego battle alone, I can't conclude TvS/SvS/TvT, however my gut says TvT, as any other result will mean that this game is far too complicated and I'd like to believe that

the universe

RNG is fair.
-I like

Morality

, and I've played my first 2 games with him. I understand that this is objectively a trash argument (RNG doesn't care), but he has succeeded in "pocketing" me and making me feel that he is town slightly better than RC's "abrasive" nature and personality. Of course I will try and filter most of what Morality and take that into consideration but still.

Now for something more of substance.
-RC says/does stuff that requires a ridiculous leaps of faith for me to follow, from his town/scum reads, to who he wants wagoned on which day.
-Morality leaves a track record of his

verbal diarrhea

thoughts and I can at least FOLLOW his train of thought based on the crumbs

(no)

that he leaves behind. Yes it can be faked/his premises can be hallucinated up, but I'd like to think that I can WORK with this method as opposed to RC's

Now again and to reiterate- I am not going to claim that either/both are town/scum. I'm just saying that my PERSONAL PREFERENCE leans slightly towards Morality, and if push REALLY comes to shove (in absence of any further evidence/info blah blah blah) I'd be slightly more inclined to support him over RC, but it's not like I have unwavering and undying devotion to him, which is what I feel you're (shoshin) trying to get at.

I am trying to AVOID push coming to shove, and the dominance of both players. Shit's probably not going to happen, but I can at least try.

[RadiantCowbells]

You understand that Morality's effort to leave a track record is more scum indicative than not, right? As scum I make an effort to leave a paper trail.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you're literally town reading the things he does to make himself townier as scum.

[Vorkuta]

I don't like/don't agree with the dichotomy (one or the other) and absolutes (if you're town, you MUST vote...) that I'm being presented with, and I'm trying to circumvent that.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't like/don't agree with the dichotomy (one or the other) and absolutes (if you're town, you MUST vote...) that I'm being presented with, and I'm trying to circumvent that.

The truth is that you're not a strong enough player to catch either of us as scum as said before and at some point you have to put faith in the fact that you aren't the best player in the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like voting me is a non-terrible idea and because Morality is claiming mental health conflict that is keeping him from fully investing in this game I'm going to leave him for tomorrow.

But if you took my town flip and didn't immediately murder Morality after that makes you a bad player.

[RadiantCowbells]

To try to flesh that out: being wrong on which of us is scum is a lot less of a mistake than thinking that I'm scum and thinking that Morality is still town after I flip town.

[Vorkuta]

Low tier play: let's lynch "random person here"
Mid tier play: based on x, y, z, let's lynch "random person here"
High tier play: *insert meta, setup, subtle cues, psychological analysis, etc. here*
God tier play: let's lynch "random person here"

[Aurathebirb]

I'm opposed to a Morality lynch, yeah.

Would like to relook at the possibility of Enigma.

Willing to consider Tarkus but I'd like to look at him a bit first.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's a really terrible way to differentiate the tiers. Quality of a player isn't in the evidence they give. I could make a convincing case on literally everyone in this game. I could include mountains of detail.
But 9/12 of the remaining players would still be town and I wouldn't be a better player for being able to produce those cases.

Quality of a townie is in the quality of their reads, their ability to towntell, and their ability to project those reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

I could produce cases on people: I just feel it is a worse way to succeed at the three skills that I have listed than to do what I am doing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think if I go for a case based approach to lynching Morality Morality will do something like what I am doing, I will get lynched, then Morality will argue against my cases and convince y'all that he's town tomorrow.
That is the worst of all worlds. That cannot be allowed to happen. My #1 goal here isn't lynching Morality today it is ensuring that

all roads lead to lynching morality

and giving reasons that can be argued against is antithetical to that.

[Shoshin]

Casing is a noob tell.

[Shoshin]

Would like to relook at the possibility of Enigma.

Enigma's town. Look at the way he strengthened his townread on me after I voted him. Super smooth. Highly doubt he fakes that as scum.

[Morality]

You understand that Morality's effort to leave a track record is more scum indicative than not, right? As scum I make an effort to leave a paper trail.

This is actually not true. I’ve never left a game as scum before without it being a force replace.

[RadiantCowbells]

You understand that Morality's effort to leave a track record is more scum indicative than not, right? As scum I make an effort to leave a paper trail.

This is actually not true. I’ve never left a game as scum before without it being a force replace.

You're responding to a point that I didn't make: I am saying that your effort to show your thought processes in thread is more scum than town-indicative.

[Morality]

Sorry, I shouldn’t be here. i have a problem

[Morality]

You understand that Morality's effort to leave a track record is more scum indicative than not, right? As scum I make an effort to leave a paper trail.

This is actually not true. I’ve never left a game as scum before without it being a force replace.

You're responding to a point that I didn't make: I am saying that your effort to show your thought processes in thread is more scum than town-indicative.

Yeah, I just skimmed.

My bad. Allow me to let myself out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Morality I've agreed to not lynch you today. I'm just deciding who I am actually going to lynch. Relax.

[Vorkuta]

Look RC- I have no delusions about my abilities, nor about what I can and cannot accomplish this game.
However I can play to my win condition. I believe that you two will counterbalance each other and prevent the other from doing something rash.
Obviously if one flips green, the other is going to have a really fun time.

is a lot less of a mistake

I'd like to delay making said mistakes until later, especially as there's a slight probability that this may resolve itself.
I'd also like to remind all of you that there are in fact, more than 4~5 players in this game.

That's a really terrible way to differentiate the tiers

I'm trying to point out that your argument

You understand that Morality's effort to leave a track record is more scum indicative than not, right? As scum I make an effort to leave a paper trail.

Is slightly lost on me. I (and my very naive and inexperienced newb brain leads me to) think a "paper trail" is more of a play style characteristic rather than an alignment feature. However, I PREFER/LIKE this playstyle and can get behind someone a bit more than the alternative. Like again- Creature's posts are objectively trash, but at least I can see the gears in his head spinning as a final product is produced.

[Aurathebirb]

Rereading the thread now, I'm starting to get a bad feeling about Boats

I like Vorkuta's opinions, but not reading them any particular way right now

[Vorkuta]

I am saying that your effort to show your thought processes in thread is more scum than town-indicative.

That's an RC^TM meta statement that I'm just going to have to take on blind faith, even though it clashes with my personal understandings/opinions.
I don't know if I'm willing to make that jump.

[RadiantCowbells]

Voting with someone because you like their playstyle is a worse strategy than voting with someone because you think that they're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vorkuta I just want you to agree that if/when I flip town you vote Morality and never unvote no matter what happens. All I'm asking for.

[RadiantCowbells]

idc how you read me. idc how you read him. idc how you generate reads in general. That's all I want a yes to and then I'll leave you alone.