Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[u r a person 2]

ok and i disagree, i think 31 is manipulative and that the transition from there to iirc 34 is quite bad

So far what I see Enter is trying to push for a wagons in RVS to get reactions. Those posts are in total alignment with that goal and mindset. So I don't see how it is manipulative unless he is using it to get himself to be townread for pushing the game forward in some nefarious way.

I can actually pretty much see where Enter's brain is going even if I don't agree with most of it.

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[NotMySpamAccount]

Why and who is that?

Notmyspamaccount. I'm not looking to set the table for him, but I've played with scum!nmsa in newbie 1915 and town!nmsa in... i think 1917?, and I think he is an ideal choice.

I'm really not ideal. I've played this identically to 1917 so far, where I was town. Same thing here.

[u r a person 2]

Can I suggest NMSA for that wagon? I expect you'll find that more productive, anyhow.

I've been reading through and honestly this is different from the other games I've played with you so since noone else has done much AI, VOTE: urap2

yikes

[xRECKONERx]

the opinion shift from enter is completely manufactured

it's like a light switch from "omg he has no ai stuff yet and IT'S PAGE TWO!!!!!!" to "oh yeah i totally agree with you that reck is so town dudeeee"

it's v bad

Definitely. The irony of the push on me is that the argument is that I'm inconsistent, while if you read everything I've been saying, it's actually wildly consistent. It's cool tho, let's get to L-2 at least.

31 to 34 is absolutely not consistent and no amount of gaslighting will ever convince me of that

It's consistent with everything else I've been saying

"Any wagon is better than no wagon"
"You can say do anything in RVS"
"Let's wagon anyone even if they're town cuz it gets us out of RVS with serious reads"

So a vote change from a player I'd barely read to a player I'd read slightly more of in attempt to draw attention, start a wagon, and acquire reads is pretty consistent to the rest of what I've been saying.

It's almost like context is important.

my issue isn't the vote change

my issue is the flip from suspecting me to IN THE VERY NEXT POST saying i pinged you as town instead and putting me near the top of your town list

it's not organic. it's so flippant and out of nowhere. it feels manufactured

[Enter]

Actually, the fact that people are taking a page one post in RVS that's an obvious attempt to get a wagon going as serious in any way, shape, or form is kinda weird to me. Mafia has changed a lot in the last two years.

it was page two

shouldnt you know, you were blowing up about how ridiculous it was i had posted no AI content ON PAGE FRICKIN TWO!!!!

I was joking with that post. The fact that you think I was serious shows how low your opinion of me is. That hurts.

Actually, the fact that people are taking a page one post in RVS that's an obvious attempt to get a wagon going as serious in any way, shape, or form is kinda weird to me. Mafia has changed a lot in the last two years.

this is coming after you insinuated a lack of ai content on page 2 is a negative thing

and after you've said a wagon on you is cool to get the game out of rvs

I like wagons cuz they get me reads. Your wagon on me is getting me reads. How does this seem inconsistent?

[u r a person 2]

Why and who is that?

Notmyspamaccount. I'm not looking to set the table for him, but I've played with scum!nmsa in newbie 1915 and town!nmsa in... i think 1917?, and I think he is an ideal choice.

I'm really not ideal. I've played this identically to 1917 so far, where I was town. Same thing here.

You had zero posts here when I made this post.

Are you arguing that at the start of 1917 you also had zero posts before you posted?

[xRECKONERx]

I plead the fifth.

It doesn't matter, I don't think I've ever played with you before. How interested are you in lynching reckoner?

None at all right now.

I don't think he has generated anything of AI quality yet.

That doesn't make you think things? We're already on the second page and there is no AI content coming from his slot. Seems a bit interesting, doesn't it?

...

this does not read like a joke whatsoever

this reads like actual prodding and pushing

[skitter30]

ok and i disagree, i think 31 is manipulative and that the transition from there to iirc 34 is quite bad

So far what I see Enter is trying to push for a wagons in RVS to get reactions. Those posts are in total alignment with that goal and mindset. So I don't see how it is manipulative unless he is using it to get himself to be townread for pushing the game forward in some nefarious way.

I can actually pretty much see where Enter's brain is going even if I don't agree with most of it.

???? things can be manipulative even without explicitly trying to get himself townread
but he was def trying to build a rapport with you there and on page2

and yeah i think he was initially trying to get you to push reck with him in 31 but when you didn't join he changed his stance on reck to him being a townread

like i can see him trying to push wagons but in that context changing his mind on whether or not reck had ai content doesn't make sense really. like he was trying to go for reck at first but when you weren't interested he pushed where you were voting

pedit bleh i don't type that fast

[Enter]

my issue isn't the vote change

my issue is the flip from suspecting me to IN THE VERY NEXT POST saying i pinged you as town instead and putting me near the top of your town list

it's not organic. it's so flippant and out of nowhere. it feels manufactured

It's almost like...

It was manufactured.

Dun dun dunn...

To see who people were willing to jump on and get a wagon going.

What?!??! Preposterous!

[skitter30]

Can I suggest NMSA for that wagon? I expect you'll find that more productive, anyhow.

I've been reading through and honestly this is different from the other games I've played with you so since noone else has done much AI, VOTE: urap2

uhhhhhh nobody did anything ai?
how is he playing differently?

[NotMySpamAccount]

It's not cool to vote my townreads on bad reasoning!

why is he a townread

I am not in the habit of over explaining townreads.

Cool, let's break that habit. I want info.

[xRECKONERx]

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ok.

so just to summarize

enter: *does a really scummy thing by changing his mind on a read out of nowhere*
people: *vote enter for doing the scummy thing*
enter: but aha you see it is i who is a genius because i

meant

to be scummy

cool okay hey everyone you can ignore the last six pages this is everything right here ^^^

[u r a person 2]

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ok.

so just to summarize

enter: *does a really scummy thing by changing his mind on a read out of nowhere*
people: *vote enter for doing the scummy thing*
enter: but aha you see it is i who is a genius because i

meant

to be scummy

cool okay hey everyone you can ignore the last six pages this is everything right here ^^^

good summary

but is it scummy?

because I'm kind of leaning no at this point

[skitter30]

I like wagons cuz they get me reads. Your wagon on me is getting me reads. How does this seem inconsistent?

you're complaining that a wagon on you based on people taking one rvs post seriously is weird after trying to form wagons on people based on their rvs posts

[Brigitte]

ok and i disagree, i think 31 is manipulative and that the transition from there to iirc 34 is quite bad

So far what I see Enter is trying to push for a wagons in RVS to get reactions. Those posts are in total alignment with that goal and mindset. So I don't see how it is manipulative unless he is using it to get himself to be townread for pushing the game forward in some nefarious way.

I can actually pretty much see where Enter's brain is going even if I don't agree with most of it.

???? things can be manipulative even without explicitly trying to get himself townread
but he was def trying to build a rapport with you there and on page2

and yeah i think he was initially trying to get you to push reck with him in 31 but when you didn't join he changed his stance on reck to him being a townread

like i can see him trying to push wagons but in that context changing his mind on whether or not reck had ai content doesn't make sense really. like he was trying to go for reck at first but when you weren't interested he pushed where you were voting

pedit bleh i don't type that fast

Of course it can be manipulative without necessity of being townread. But you seem to be arguing that Enter state of mind was he came in here and was trying to buddy me and get me to vote with him in a manufactured way to manipulate me, when I think its more likely he was trying to get a wagon going to get reads out of RVS and that seems way more in line with all of his posts to date. I think your reasoning falls apart when you take the full context of his posts instead of focusing on 2 posts by themselves that seem odd in that narrow context.

[Enter]

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this does not read like a joke whatsoever

this reads like actual prodding and pushing

*sigh*

I hate explaining jokes.

OK so how many times have you played a mafia game and people post something that's really AI in the first two pages? Dude, I said isn't it weird he hasn't done anything AI in the first two pages? A lot of people hadn't even posted yet. So yes, it's joke reasoning.

And it's also very real prodding and pushing, because I wanted to see if she would bite. A joke reason has been the reason people have jumped on a wagon before.

It's almost like tempting your scum read with Lynch bait is scummy now and that's awkward

[NotMySpamAccount]

yay skitter is probably town because of this interaction

I agree. How is watch duty right now?

i can't see the sun anymore but I think that might be because I've lost my retinas

Ohhh no. Go see the medical unit quick!

These two have been spamming all game. I'm calling my shot now, this is the scumteam. Come join me on the urap wagon, game is already solved.

[skitter30]

It's almost like...

It was manufactured.

Dun dun dunn...

To see who people were willing to jump on and get a wagon going.

What?!??! Preposterous!

i jumped on it and you're townreading me ... ?

are you townreading me *because* i jumped on it?

are you saying you made a bad post on purpose to see who would jump on it to try to get wagons to happen ...?

[Enter]

you're complaining that a wagon on you based on people taking one rvs post seriously is weird after trying to form wagons on people based on their rvs posts

Naw. I like the wagon on me. I feel like lynchbait right now and you're voting for Lynch bait. Keep pushing me, I'm serious. I'm just giving you some scum cred while it happens. What's the point of a wagon if we just all vote for someone and no one gets any reads off of it?

[Brigitte]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

[Enter]

Brigitte is a town read rn, btw, before people start trying to twist my words there

[u r a person 2]

These two have been spamming all game. I'm calling my shot now, this is the scumteam. Come join me on the urap wagon, game is already solved.

last game, as town, you couldn't even find a read for like half of D1, lol. What changed?

I so don't buy this confidence as coming from town!you

[skitter30]

Of course it can be manipulative without necessity of being townread.

But you seem to be arguing that Enter state of mind was he came in here and was trying to buddy me and get me to vote with him in a manufactured way to manipulate me,

when

I think its more likely he was trying to get a wagon going to get reads out of RVS and that seems way more in line with all of his posts to date

. I think your reasoning falls apart when you take the full context of his posts instead of focusing on 2 posts by themselves that seem odd in that narrow context.

bolded: i mean yeah that's exactly what it looks like to me

i don't really get the transition from insinuating reck is sketchy for not having ai content to townreading him in the context you're suggesting in the italics

[Enter]

i jumped on it and you're townreading me ... ?

are you townreading me *because* i jumped on it?

are you saying you made a bad post on purpose to see who would jump on it to try to get wagons to happen ...?

I was going tonne sarcastic but then I realised that was rude and mean, and that a simple "yes" would suffice.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Why and who is that?

Notmyspamaccount. I'm not looking to set the table for him, but I've played with scum!nmsa in newbie 1915 and town!nmsa in... i think 1917?, and I think he is an ideal choice.

I'm really not ideal. I've played this identically to 1917 so far, where I was town. Same thing here.

You had zero posts here when I made this post.

Are you arguing that at the start of 1917 you also had zero posts before you posted?

Yes, I am absolutely certain that I hadn't posted before my first post.