Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Morality]

Please drill into your heads the fact that Morality was going on shore leave when the viable wagons were all on town but now that CoA is at risk he comes back and tries to push another mislynch

I left before anything happened.

I’m also not advocating a COA lynch.

I’m also busy today and tomorrow.

I’ve been incredibly inactive site wide in general, considering I’m running a game, and in a couple games.

Edited.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wait is that right? I dunno. My head is fuzzy.

[Shoshin]

Shoshin going against RC seems like scum trying to play the political game.

I don't know how town genuinely trying to scumhunt ever comes to this conclusion. Like, if I were scum with Boats/Enigma (your claim), why wouldn't I just sheep RC on CoA?

[Morality]

Shoshin going against RC seems like scum trying to play the political game.

I don't know how town genuinely trying to scumhunt ever comes to this conclusion. Like, if I were scum with Boats/Enigma (your claim), why wouldn't I just sheep RC on CoA?

When do scum EVER do that?

What kind of line of thinking is that?

[Morality]

You’re playing EXACTLY how I play when I’m scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Shoshin what's your readslist

[Shoshin]

If I'm scum who sees town RC pushing a mislynch on CoA, I sheep it as scum 100% of the time. The only reason I'd defend CoA as scum is if she were my partner, and even that's unlikely when it's obvious she's going down.

[Morality]

Wait is that right? I dunno. My head is fuzzy.

I’ve been on a little bit the past couple of days, but nothing else I’m doing right now takes too much effort and analysis.

If I just poke in without doing work here, I’m gonna get mislynched.

[Shoshin]

Shoshin what's your readslist

You're town. Enigma's town.

Morality's scum. DDL's scum.

[Morality]

If I'm scum who sees town RC pushing a mislynch on CoA, I sheep it as scum 100% of the time. The only reason I'd defend CoA as scum is if she were my partner, and even that's unlikely when it's obvious she's going down.

This is surface level scum play.

“Obvious” she’s going down means you are completely only on me for the sake of making the statement, and also is EXACTLY why you don’t need to go COA.

[Shoshin]

This is surface level scum play.

There's no such thing as "surface level scum play" because it's all WIFOM.

Good scum play means making accurate predictions about how your behavior will influence others. If I were scum with Boats/Enigma, I'd predict that sheeping RC on a CoA mislynch gets my team two mislynches (first on CoA, then on RC) without putting myself or teammates anywhere within town's crosshair. As scum, that'd be a dream scenario.

[Morality]

I’m very intrigued by Shoshin. I’ve heard she has a strong scum game. I’d be lying if I said I felt like I was 100% confident I could catch her out this game, but I am having fun watching her control this game.

[Morality]

This is surface level scum play.

There's no such thing as "surface level scum play" because it's all WIFOM.

Good scum play means making accurate predictions about how your behavior will influence others. If I were scum with Boats/Enigma, I'd predict that sheeping RC on a CoA mislynch gets my team two mislynches (first on CoA, then on RC) without putting myself or teammates anywhere within town's crosshair. As scum, that'd be a dream scenario.

I didn’t say you were playing surface level scum play.

The WIFOM you pushed out to me was surface level scum play as you acted like that was THE only play you could have made. There are an infinite amount of plays you could make like that, so the fact you chose to state that there’s one simple thing you would undeniably make in that scenario as a defense is the pinging part.

[Not Known 15]

Do not discuss ongoing games.

JohnnyEnglish replaces Vedith.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've made posts like Morality is making on this page an absurd number of times as wolf. They're effective at getting you townread because they typically come across as genuine town thinking things when it's really just bullshit

Also i have a lot of games where I've used hey this is how I play scum to attack townies who are being objectively towny by trying to judge them to a different standard

Yeah Morality is the right D1 lunch. I guess if CoA won't hop on we can lynch her

My big paranoia point on CoA is that I think it's an all Town or all but one town wagon. Knowing that and knowing that if she's scum she is always going to fall to my push... why are Morality and BnH not bussing? They're both antibus but does that extend to this situation? I think it doesn't. I think that I made a mistake and that morality and BnH are trying to milk my incorrect CoA push for all the town cred they can get. It's possible it's the buddy and they somehow think the play is to defend her, but that's a discussion for another time I think.

VOTE: Morality if I haven't already

[Morality]

This is surface level scum play.

There's no such thing as "surface level scum play" because it's all WIFOM.

Good scum play means making accurate predictions about how your behavior will influence others. If I were scum with Boats/Enigma, I'd predict that sheeping RC on a CoA mislynch gets my team two mislynches (first on CoA, then on RC) without putting myself or teammates anywhere within town's crosshair. As scum, that'd be a dream scenario.

Also, it’s Day 1. Me making a thought on me noticing an entire scum team isn’t necessarily expected that i think there isn’t a chance I could be wrong.

Based on what I’m seeing right now do i think that’s plausible scum team? Yes. I’ll fully admit. I’m probably wrong on that being the entire scum team, but until i have more to go off of, that’s where I’m at. Things will happen that make my theories more or less plausible, and I’ll go from that.

I see you as the scum who’s controlling this game, and you’ll probably get pretty far into this game.

I’m hoping you make the mistake of trying to keep me alive to mislynch me later.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel a lot better about this either way

[RadiantCowbells]

I see you as the scum who’s controlling this game, and you’ll probably get pretty far into this game.

I’m hoping you make the mistake of trying to keep me alive to mislynch me later.

These are posts that you make as scum to preemptively lead your audience into thinking a set of events means a narrative is true. In this case, Shoshin and FL living -> Shoshin keeping FL alive. I would go a step further even and say experientially that Flavor Leaf intends to be the 'deepwolf' and not get his hands dirty at all and save Shoshin for the lylo mislynch

[Morality]

I feel a lot better about this either way

I’m town.

You’d rather get played by Shoshin than the potential of me pulling the wool over you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I suppose that I would, yeah, but I have some really unfair advantages here that you must have put together by now regarding why I'm so sure that you are scum.

[Morality]

I see you as the scum who’s controlling this game, and you’ll probably get pretty far into this game.

I’m hoping you make the mistake of trying to keep me alive to mislynch me later.

These are posts that you make as scum to preemptively lead your audience into thinking a set of events means a narrative is true. In this case, Shoshin and FL living -> Shoshin keeping FL alive. I would go a step further even and say experientially that Flavor Leaf intends to be the 'deepwolf' and not get his hands dirty at all and save Shoshin for the lylo mislynch

I make those posts as scum because I make those posts as town.

Fair analysis on the deep wolf thing. I get it. It’s just not what’s happening

Also, on Morality, I play to be the first scum dead so I can Kira it up.

I’ve never lived as scum on Morality before, so meta check that. Flavor Leaf’s an entire different story.

[Morality]

I suppose that I would, yeah, but I have some really unfair advantages here that you must have put together by now regarding why I'm so sure that you are scum.

Well, obviously. But I’m not scum, so I know you’re thinking about it the wrong way rather than thinking of it the other way.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well then if that's the case it doesn't exactly help your case because it explains why you would suicide bomb the fuck out of the two strongest non-NSG townies in thread. Even if you're not actually dragging Shoshin all the way to endgame which was sheer conjecture on my part.

[Morality]

Well then if that's the case it doesn't exactly help your case because it explains why you would suicide bomb the fuck out of the two strongest non-NSG townies in thread. Even if you're not actually dragging Shoshin all the way to endgame which was sheer conjecture on my part.

What do you want me to do then?

I’m town. I feel like I’m being gaslighted somewhere, haha.

Strongest “mechanical” town. There’s a side of people’s town game on this site that’s severely lacking.

You actually have that side, though. But a lot of the “elite” players on this site don’t.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean for all of NSGs skills I feel very unthreatened by her town game if I was hypothetically scum. Unless it's a lobby where her being conftown takes away all my paths to victory

Sidestory aside: we can always lynch boats n hoes