Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[u r a person 2]

Skitter, it's not a strong town read on tic tac, but these are the posts that imply game solving, and inform my read.

Spoiler: Tictac posts that read townie to me

It's not cool to vote my townreads on bad reasoning!

pretty sure ya were voting a town read at this time
Am I correct?

Can I suggest NMSA for that wagon? I expect you'll find that more productive, anyhow.

I've been reading through and honestly this is different from the other games I've played with you so since noone else has done much AI, VOTE: urap2

feeling good about my vote

i mean i read it again and i can see the narrative that you're pushing (ie that he wanted to form wagons and when you weren't interested in reck he switched to pushing who you were pushing) but i don't feel like it explains everything, namely his random read change on reck

What was random about it?

the fact that reck didn't post anything in between so i don't know why he suddenly changed his mind from 'reck has no ai content' to 'nm reck's changing vote like that is townie'

I thought it was a change from casual read into looking at things more closely when prompted.
Gave him a townpoint for it.

@Enter At no point was my read on NMSA a joke, or rvs read. I came into this game fairly confident that I could read NMSA off of his opening posts, and I believe I have done so.

[u r a person 2]

@Enter What were you going to ask me earlier? I'm talking about the thing that came out wrong or w/e

[u r a person 2]

Anyone have any questions they want to ask me?

Are you still town reading enter?

[Enter]

@Enter What were you going to ask me earlier? I'm talking about the thing that came out wrong or w/e

I mean to say I think the majority of scum is probably on NMSA wagon/not voting at the time of that post. You said you think it's mostly town except me. What I mean to ask is what do you think of the other wagons/votes in that case?

[u r a person 2]

I highly doubt you will actually be lynched at this point. Very rarely have I seen a highly active game (which I very much intend for this to be) result in the Lynch of a player who got bandwagons coming out of RVS

I don't understand. You think he's scum, but you don't think he will be the lynch.

Do you want today's lynch to be NMSA?

[Enter]

Yes. I do.

[Enter]

@Enter At no point was my read on NMSA a joke, or rvs read. I came into this game fairly confident that I could read NMSA off of his opening posts, and I believe I have done so.

This just makes it worse for me, IMO

[u r a person 2]

@Enter What were you going to ask me earlier? I'm talking about the thing that came out wrong or w/e

I mean to say I think the majority of scum is probably on NMSA wagon/not voting at the time of that post. You said you think it's mostly town except me. What I mean to ask is what do you think of the other wagons/votes in that case?

I'm not discounting the possibility that there is scum on NMSA's wagon. I'm inclined to think that scum is you, but I'm not solid enough on my read of TicTac or Triss to discount them as possibilities.

I think it's just as likely that scum ignores the wagon as long as possible hoping it will die out, or is in the pool of players that has expressed a scum read on NMSA but has failed to vote (though not skitter. Skitter is a town read).

Basically, scum is somewhere in this game and I don't have enough information to start piecing together where they're at. I do think the fact that 8 players are scum reading NMSA probably means I'm right about him being scum.

[u r a person 2]

@Enter At no point was my read on NMSA a joke, or rvs read. I came into this game fairly confident that I could read NMSA off of his opening posts, and I believe I have done so.

This just makes it worse for me, IMO

Why?

[Enter]

I want NMSA to be lynched today, I don't think he will be lynched right now. Based on experience the wagon on him will dismantle before reforming again if he will be lynched, though. Very very rarely do I see a wagon coming out of RVS resulting in a Lynch.

[Chara]

hello again, i didn't expect to be unavailable for the opening of this game. i hate when that happens.
u2's posts on this game feel kind of wooden. i misread him in the only other game we have together so i'll take that with a grain of salt, but yes.

pedit: oh, you're both online.

[u r a person 2]

I want NMSA to be lynched today, I don't think he will be lynched right now. Based on experience the wagon on him will dismantle before reforming again if he will be lynched, though. Very very rarely do I see a wagon coming out of RVS resulting in a Lynch.

That's fine. I'm happy with the day continuing.

We are lynching scum!nmsa today, though.

[tris]

Anyone have any questions they want to ask me?

Are you still town reading enter?

I've seen nothing to change my mind there.

[skitter30]

VOTE: NMSA
seems constructive

@urap2 idk why but this vote feels scummy
if nmsa is town it's bandwagon-y
and if he's scum it basically feels like scum trying to get on the wagon for the towncred
and none of the posts you pulled feel particularly ai to me

[u r a person 2]

I've seen nothing to change my mind there.

What are you basing the read on?

[Enter]

@Enter At no point was my read on NMSA a joke, or rvs read. I came into this game fairly confident that I could read NMSA off of his opening posts, and I believe I have done so.

This just makes it worse for me, IMO

Why?

Because it looks more like you're bussing on preexisting knowledge and a lack of faith in his ability.

[tris]

I don't see why tictac would look like he's busing. He's in basically the same situation as me as relates to that wagon. We both voted for nmsa before he started posting, and stayed because we thought he looked scummy when he did. What in particular about tictac looks like it could be a bus?

[skitter30]

I do think the fact that 8 players are scum reading NMSA probably means I'm right about him being scum.

actually this starts to make me worry that he may be lynch bait tbh, the complete, mass agreement on scum!nsa

the gamestate is explained either by scum deciding to just hard bus or riding an easy mislynch
figuring out which is it is tho is the tricky part, of course

have you had a scumgame since i asked you in the newbie?

[u r a person 2]

VOTE: NMSA
seems constructive

@urap2 idk why but this vote feels scummy
if nmsa is town it's bandwagon-y
and if he's scum it basically feels like scum trying to get on the wagon for the towncred
and none of the posts you pulled feel particularly ai to me

I hear what you're saying.

But it comes after I have asked for an RVS wagon on NMSA

and before NMSA actually posts

So I don't think that scum motivation really holds weight with me.

I think the posts show a solving thought process, but this isn't the cross I'm dying on.

[u r a person 2]

I do think the fact that 8 players are scum reading NMSA probably means I'm right about him being scum.

actually this starts to make me worry that he may be lynch bait tbh, the complete, mass agreement on scum!nsa

the gamestate is explained either by scum deciding to just hard bus or riding an easy mislynch
figuring out which is it is tho is the tricky part, of course

have you had a scumgame since i asked you in the newbie?

Yeah I have a completed scum game

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78683

[skitter30]

hello again, i didn't expect to be unavailable for the opening of this game. i hate when that happens.
u2's posts on this game feel kind of wooden.

i misread him in the only other game we have together so i'll take that with a grain of salt, but yes.

pedit: oh, you're both online.

which way did you misread him? (ie he was town and you thought he was scum or the other way around)
i don't really feel like he's being wooden tbh

does this make you scumread him? if yes what do you think that says about nmsa's alignment?

[u r a person 2]

the gamestate is explained either by scum deciding to just hard bus or riding an easy mislynch
figuring out which is it is tho is the tricky part, of course

I understand the dichotomy, but I have a strong scum!read on NMSA, and that goes into my read on the situation as a whole, you know?

[tris]

I've seen nothing to change my mind there.

What are you basing the read on?

I might be just giving him town points for his play style which I've liked. It's not a very strong town read.

[skitter30]

I don't see why tictac would look like he's busing. He's in basically the same situation as me as relates to that wagon. We both voted for nmsa before he started posting, and stayed because we thought he looked scummy when he did. What in particular about tictac looks like it could be a bus?

i don't know.
i remember thinking when it happened that it felt like it could be a bussing vote, and iirc there was another post later that reinforced that impression but i'd have to go back and find it
i'll go back and look at the first couple of pages again later tonight to try to answer this better

[u r a person 2]

Because it looks more like you're bussing on preexisting knowledge and a lack of faith in his ability.

See, I feel like you're already playing towards the D2 mislynch right here