Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Nimueh]

Did you want Enter to respond to that?

I’m not holding my breath.

He won’t respond to anything that contradicts his confiabias on me. I don’t understand your Ankamius sr because I’ve been agreeing with a lot of her posts. I liked the last two of NMSA’s posts for example.

I think the whole seeking towncred theory is often unreasonably way overstated, especially when it would seem to be in direct conflict with a scum wincon.

[Nimueh]

Nimuh. How old are you? I am just curious here.

I don’t see how that is relevant to the game.

[Nimueh]

i kinda think ank is town now actually
she comes off a lot better than brigitte does in both of their recent exchanges

Explain. I'd argue she comes off more controlled, but pretty sure that's more scummy than townie, IMO.

What about the

content

of Ankamius’ posts? I think she is demonstrating a townie thought process .

*crickets*

You haven't read the first page of the game thread and you have no examples of where you think Ank's posts show a townie thought process displayed here, you haven't answered my arguments, you've been openly hostile towards me, and multiple times you've told me you're planning on ignoring me, and yet somehow it's important to you to defend Ank's towncred? Interesting.

So, you have no opinion wrt to the actual CONTENT of her posts then?

[Brigitte]

As far as I'm following, Brigitte's argument is that Ank's scumread of her feels like OMGUS and completely manufactured because it's just the same thing Brigitte said back at her.

Well theres that but I had arguments on Ank scum before those arguments and the crux of it is the fakeness to positions. I think the best thing she has going for her is that her tone doesn't seem fake in certain areas, which I consider not alignment indicative. But others she takes these stances and they will be fake. Good liars usually contribute a little bit of truth in every lie they give. So you see these positions and you think about them and they don't appear in alignment with the posts themselves. I can't explain it better than that.

Look at the latest with Ank. We have this position she takes where she says she death tunnels a lot. Probably true, I doubt scum lie about it, but then she says she can "back it off". Now these statements together don't make sense. And goes along with the narrative she is crafting in game during the time when me and her were going at it. She knew how she could position herself in the best light her was taking the cool and collected and reasonable person. She even made in my mind one of the scummiest post trying to get me to stop my push by saying "I am giving you a chance here" and framed it in a way where she basically couldn't really lose. If I continue, I am the unreasonable person. If I stop she wins by not having me stop. That wasn't a real olive branch that was a Xanatos gambit.

When she realizes she is going to lose nothing because I officially lost public support, she votes me. Showing how false it all really was. Its not complicated what is going on. If I get lynched she isn't going to get focused for it tomorrow because by public opinion we are at a moment where everyone sees me as the crazy person. No one will get the brunt focus. My read will not be taken seriously. She will escape any focus because of the lynch here.

[Brigitte]

Did you want Enter to respond to that?

I’m not holding my breath.

He won’t respond to anything that contradicts his confiabias on me. I don’t understand your Ankamius sr because I’ve been agreeing with a lot of her posts. I liked the last two of NMSA’s posts for example.

I think the whole seeking towncred theory is often unreasonably way overstated, especially when it would seem to be in direct conflict with a scum wincon.

You like Ank because she makes posts you agree with....

[Brigitte]

It concerns me that she serms to be sr and shading her for having a different opinion.

Theres a pattern here....

[Enter]

@Nimueh: How do you have posts of Ank's you agree with when you haven't even read the first page of the game?

@Brig: yeah, I think you pretty much just rehashed a lot of the thoughts I was having when going through your exchange. I really don't see a townie side to the manufactured interaction Ank had with you at all and urap and skitter both look significantly worse for their parts in the process. I'm ok with an ank or nimueh lynch at this point, I think. I think I want to look more closely at urap and skitter before I make definite reads on them, I feel weird because I was pretty sure of urap as town earlier but I don't really see much town to his play here, either.

[Enter]

It concerns me that she serms to be sr and shading her for having a different opinion.

Theres a pattern here....

I mean yeah, almost all of Nim's posts reek of falsity.

[Brigitte]

I think both urap2 and skitter are both still town for the exchange tbh. It was obviously manipulation tactics when you read it from a person coming in from the outside but not in it during it imo.

And obviously they aren't going to listen to me while I am being unhinged.

[Brigitte]

actually if I had doubts about one of them it would be urap2.
I found his whole questioning about reckoner not reading thing pretty pointless. Not sure why he thought that was important to establish other than finding me being annoying by trolling reckoner.

[Enter]

So the things that pinged me about urap are the fact that he seemed to share in controlled antagonism with Ank, and this post specifically:

I don't think 'has a handle on state of game' is same as 'knowing everything that has happened in the game'. So you can show that he has been following the game as of late, which I think isn't completely inaccurate. But I am pretty tired of his constant missing things in this game, and he has been doing it a lot. He misses context. He skims incessantly. I am just tired of it.

okay, examples

VOTE: brigitte

He was the person to put the second vote on when I voted for pressure on Chara (cuz he said I needed it to actually apply pressure) so he should know that putting a vote on and saying it's for applying pressure makes the vote not matter. the fact that it's still there as you shoot closer to L-1 really pings me.

I just realized it's way later than I intended on staying up, though, so I'll look at this more tomorrow.

[Enter]

and this is what pinged me on skitter:

i don't know if it's her being reasonable; it's more posts like 1281

That's a scummy post when she claims she had a scumread on me and wants to de-escalate the situation. I don't see how she knows even though she is currently winning the support of people how this won't blow up in her face. So if she gets me to flip my read on her, she wins more. And she still plays the "reasonable" person card up for more points.

I'm still not entirely convinced this was s deathtunnel yet

Although I will note that my main issue with this being a scum act is that I don't think she wouldn't have realized by now that this isn't winnable for her and backed off

these two posts from ank kinda vibe for me tho as a real-time thought process; don't really see it as being scummy tbh in the way you described. like you said, she's winning the argumnet, not sure why she wants to de-escalate here as scum

does ank not look manipulative and controlled to you?

these two posts from ank kinda vibe for me tho as a real-time thought process; don't really see it as being scummy tbh in the way you described. like you said, she's winning the argumnet, not sure why she wants to de-escalate here as scum

Because as I said, she wins more points in her favor by doing so which is doing with you. You might think its real, but I don't its real. I haven't found a lot of her stances and posts genuine here.

or she coudl just like keep pushing you to get you mislynched? like she actually unvoted you; i think that's counterproductive here if she's scum

what do you think about the fact that ank put her vote back on?

VOTE: brigitte

don't like the naked vote at all, please explain. it feels like a p sharp twist from your previous posts which seem to be attempting at reasoning with brigitte, and not building towards a scum read on her

[u r a person 2]

@Nimueh: How do you have posts of Ank's you agree with when you haven't even read the first page of the game?

@Brig: yeah, I think you pretty much just rehashed a lot of the thoughts I was having when going through your exchange. I really don't see a townie side to the manufactured interaction Ank had with you at all and urap and skitter both look significantly worse for their parts in the process. I'm ok with an ank or nimueh lynch at this point, I think. I think I want to look more closely at urap and skitter before I make definite reads on them, I feel weird because I was pretty sure of urap as town earlier but I don't really see much town to his play here, either.

I think you need to go back and re read that entire exchange because your reading of it seems nuts. Brig basically called ank lock scum for asking reck his opinion on brig's case on ank. That's a ridiculous stance, and it was a ridiculous stance when skitter and I said it was a ridiculous stance.

And it was scummy, ridiculous, and poor sportsmanship to scream "read the game" at reck a dozen times while he was trying to engage.

[u r a person 2]

actually if I had doubts about one of them it would be urap2.
I found his whole questioning about reckoner not reading thing pretty pointless. Not sure why he thought that was important to establish other than finding me being annoying by trolling reckoner.

I'm not sure what the scum motivation for shouting "read the game" 100 times was.

But I know that it's not townie. And I know that if you had been saying it to me, I would have either exploded at you or replaced out immediately.

And I think any reasonable person would know that responding to everything with "read the game" is going to provoke someone

which brings me back to, if you're town, what in the world reason would you have to provoke reck here?

I don't think that behavior should even be tolerated in a game, ever.

[u r a person 2]

He was the person to put the second vote on when I voted for pressure on Chara (cuz he said I needed it to actually apply pressure) so he should know that putting a vote on and saying it's for applying pressure makes the vote not matter. the fact that it's still there as you shoot closer to L-1 really pings me.

I just realized it's way later than I intended on staying up, though, so I'll look at this more tomorrow.

This isn't a pressure vote. I want brigitte lynched now. And If she's going to push this whole "reck read the game" bullshit to the point of being abusive and toxic, as she did

and if she is going to then offer to give me examples for how she knew he wasn't reading

and I ask for those examples

Then she needs to give me those examples. Because the play from brig was fucking abhorrent and needs to be substantiated.

[Brigitte]

If you have a problem with someone continuously repeating for someone to say "read the game" and think that is abhorrent behavior. I am not sure mafia is the game for you.

Also couldn't I say that your behavior right now is encouraging to provoke me right now? That's unfair. That isn't right.

That shouldn't be allowed.

[u r a person 2]

I dunno, 10 games in and I haven't had a problem yet.

We can call people scum without trying to make the game a rage inducing experience for the person we suspect

after all, they r a person, 2

[Brigitte]

I don't suspect reckoner one bit.

[u r a person 2]

damn, even more reason not to try and send them into a rage.

I've asked the thread generally a number or times now, but here's to you specifically.

What motivation did you have for provoking him like that?

[Brigitte]

And I think saying I was trying to induce rage is not very true. Sure, I knew it would make him mad, but my intention was troll. I knew how he would get mad because he is pretty predictable.

[Brigitte]

damn, even more reason not to try and send them into a rage.

I've asked the thread generally a number or times now, but here's to you specifically.

What motivation did you have for provoking him like that?

I told you immediately during it I was trolling him. What do you think I am trying to do here?

[u r a person 2]

if the whole point of your play there was to troll him into getting angry because you found it amusing,

I still don't see how that helps you solve the game, or helps him solve the game, or anything else.

and if there was no game-related purpose, then it was simply mean-spirited.

[Brigitte]

Sure it was mean spirited. I think I can point to many posts of his like that too. I am probably more at fault but I think we are just moral grandstanding with this.

[u r a person 2]

You know, you're probably right.

The best course of action isn't for me to push a pl. But I also refuse to play with you.

@Mod Please replace me. So sorry.

[Brigitte]

Good luck in future games yo