Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Brigitte]

Also me, now, I guess.

scum slip

lol. I was talking RL

is RL the name of your SCUM PT!?!?!?!

[Ankamius]

I have more to say on that and how my fundamental thought process as town works and WHY I've gone this specific route for this specific situation, but I'm pretty certain it'll just get written off as self meta so I'll just stop here and leave the thread for a while

[Chara]

so like it's not so much that i think town!you wouldn't interact with me this way, so much as i'm wary that scum!you would be (especially in a game without nks!)

and i guess just comparing to last game: i felt paranoid, yes, but i never felt pocket-y, or like you valued my reads in a general sense *that* strongly. like you were just scumreading reck and after i said i was townreading him and why, your read changed to match mine, which is kinda weird.

scum me would probably interact with you similarly. the problem is town me also would (and is) and you're nothing that and also noting your own paranoia.

last game was my second game with you. this is my third. last game i didn't have the evidence i have now that yes, you're great to work with and i want to do that, but trying to do so has you paranoid of me so i'm not sure why i bothered. and that's not on you but it is frustrating, because i simply don't think it's possible for you to have a good view of the game if i'm your only actual scumread. and for what reason? it's paranoia and you acknowledge it's paranoia.

your reasons for townreading Reck were good. mine were pretty gut based. i hadn't even properly looked at his reaction to the hammer until you pointed it out. when you did i went back and saw that yeah, his reaction was pretty good.

i don't have any good scumreads, really, so my other option is trying to work with townreads. it felt helpful last game but maybe that was because i didn't set out specifically to do that.

it's also possible i was just wrong on you, because it feels like you aren't listening to me at all. again, maybe it's my fault for trying too hard.

the last few pages look like fun. and by fun i mean not so fun.

pedit: @Ankamius: long drawn out debates are my kryptonite.

[Chara]

is RL the name of your SCUM PT!?!?!?!

Enter is town and i have very little patience for your trolling.
it's not towny, it's not cute, and frankly it isn't fun to play with. fun for you isn't fun for the thread. it's just fun for you.

[Brigitte]

Whats bothering you Chara?

[Chara]

that's sort of a problem i have with trolly players as a whole and not specifically you. i apologize for directing that at you like i did, given it was a post made from frustration with no real goal.

pedit: hi.

[Brigitte]

Let it all out. Confession is good for the soul.

[Chara]

i don't like making posts for reasons like that.
do you have a read on me, Brigitte?

[Brigitte]

Ohhh come on Chara. I like honest you. Its the real you.
Don't hide behind the niceties. You don't have to lie to me.

And yeah my read is scum leaning you right now, though you aren't really a concern for me today.

[Brigitte]

Its funny that me and ank both agree on that. I wonder if I should take that to mean something actually.

[Chara]

well you don't have to be coy about it. go ahead and push me, there's support.

[skitter30]

Is she regularly this bad? I already had one headache trying to deal with her, I assumed she was just having a bad day. If this is consistent I don't know that I can really handle it.

pretty par for the course tbh
apologies in advance if i end up repping out

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Just to get this straight, you're saying you think it looked like Ank was legitimately considering her read on Brig by unvoting and offering Brig a way out on multiple occasions, and Brig looked like scum for just responding with whatever emotion happened to be going through her at the moment, right?

yeah, basically. to be slightly more precise:
it looked like ank was legimately reconsidering her read on Brig by unvoting and noting that scum!brig probably takes the way out Ank was offering her. ie i viewed the offers as a reaction test to see what Brig would do - if brig used them as a way out ank would find that scummy, and since brig didn't, ank re-evaluated her read on her based on brig's reaction and unvoted. if ank were scum i don't think that unvote would have happened during that irl time convo; to me it indicates that ank was actively reconsidering her read in a natural/townie way

1. You're scum, and you want to push a mislynch, do you want to push it through hard and look like you're tunneled in, confbiased and emotional, or would you rather look calm, controlled, and regularly offer your victim a way out?
2. You're town, you run into an argument that you can't handle at the moment, do you tell the person you're arguing with to leave, or do you just leave the thread yourself until things have cooled down?

i think it depends on the player and what exactly is going on in the thread at that moment. i can't answer this in a general sense, sorry, it's too context and player specific.

Really not sure what you mean by Ank reconsidering her read in real time, but I'll assume you're talking about these?

more 1281 and 1296 taken together

I'd argue that barely reads as reconsidering read and more like damage control, because when you get in a 1v1, player respect for your case goes down and people are a lot less likely to get lynched, like urap2 pointed out yesterday. This argument is reinforced by these posts:

yeah but those happened several hours later. in the moment (when other people were siding with her against brig - me, urap2, reck) i don't know why she would unvote if she was winning the argument already and had support. she didn't really *need* to do damage control just then

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idk. overall i just don't read the whole exchange the way you do

[Brigitte]

I can't tell if your general frustration here is from your alignment or just the game state here. So I actually wanted you to vent to get an understanding for if I am making something out of nothing Chara.

[skitter30]

First and foremost you should know that you will slip up as scum. And someone who's been sitting on your wagon trying to push your lynch the whole game will get a foothold. All it takes is one wrong move and then you, like Brig, could have a giant wagon of people on you.

i don't really know ank's scumgame that well, and i've never seen her towngame, so this is with a grain of salt, but my general vibe is that the cockiness/confidence that this won't happen is more likely to come from town!her

[Chara]

still catching up. still liking Flubber, especially in 1123. i'll admit i don't have the best awareness of the full gamestate but Flubber doesn't feel like he has a lot of support or is really "in" a group, which i like for town more than scum.

[Brigitte]

@Chara

I can't tell if your general frustration here is from your alignment or just the game state here. So I actually wanted you to vent to get an understanding for if I am making something out of nothing Chara.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Nim and Brig are scum. At least one of Enter and Ank are town. I'll willingly wagon Nim or Brig at any point.

[skitter30]

Skitter I wanna talk cuz I really don't agree with your Ank townread right now. Are you impressed that she can spam the thread by talking about herself, is that it?

i'm around now
more in how cocky/confident she is in giving those arguments and that doing so won't ultimately lead to her lynch. the self-meta itself doesn't interest me that much either way

like i guess it's a kinda similar tone to what i have when i know that i'm hilariously obvtown and that i can say whatever i wnat and it's never going to end up in my lynch (like how i felt for the last ~three days of the prey game, even tho i never explicitly said this); i get a lot cockier and a lot less worried about how people view me, and that's the vibe i kinda get from her rn

and again i don't *know* her scumgame super well but i've seen/been in two of them and i never really got the vibe taht she's *that* confident as scum

[skitter30]

Nim and Brig are scum. At least one of Enter and Ank are town. I'll willingly wagon Nim or Brig at any point.

unfortunately nothing you're scumreading nim for is ai
(not that i know how to read either but yeah)
i'm undecided wrt brig atm

[Brigitte]

Skitter. I will forgive you if you scumread me.

[Chara]

I can't tell if your general frustration here is from your alignment or just the game state here. So I actually wanted you to vent to get an understanding for if I am making something out of nothing Chara.

then it's not going to happen, and i know you probably won't but please don't purposely try and get me use a mafia thread as a venting space.

every time i vomit emotions all over the thread i get townread. i don't want to do that anymore because it's exhausting, and defaulting to my fear of being mislynched and then using that to get townread is just not very respectable play.

i am frustrated with the gamestate because all of my townreads besides Flubber seem to be nullscumming me but not actually pushing me, or pushing each other.

pedit: i read the post Brigitte, give me a minute. i'm catching up while i talk to you.

[Brigitte]

Skitter. I will forgive you if you scumread me.

I think I have to point out this is a joke and I am not trying to manipulate skitter lol.

[skitter30]

good god could you miss the mark harder if you triedpeople are on brigitte because brig is refusing to engage w/ me and instead is just antagonizing me and going "reck isnt reading the game so idc what he says"and then people are asking brig why she thinks that about me and she's refusing to answer them or give examples

And people wonder why I say reck isn't reading.

[skitter30]

Skitter. I will forgive you if you scumread me.

i don't liek the way you're playing but idk rn if what you're doing is actually scummy

[Brigitte]

I can't tell if your general frustration here is from your alignment or just the game state here. So I actually wanted you to vent to get an understanding for if I am making something out of nothing Chara.

then it's not going to happen, and i know you probably won't but please don't purposely try and get me use a mafia thread as a venting space.

every time i vomit emotions all over the thread i get townread. i don't want to do that anymore because it's exhausting, and defaulting to my fear of being mislynched and then using that to get townread is just not very respectable play.

i am frustrated with the gamestate because all of my townreads besides Flubber seem to be nullscumming me but not actually pushing me, or pushing each other.

pedit: i read the post Brigitte, give me a minute. i'm catching up while i talk to you.

Okay. Gonna townread you now.