Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Morality]

I have been part of a scum team where a scum member claimed Miller, however, and I backed it up eventually by claiming Cop.

Wow what kind of player would claim miller as scum and force his buddy to claim cop to save him. He sounds like a real idiot...

@Yellow, because I know it’s gonna come up anyways - We’re joking. Something Smart and I were the team that did that.

[Something_Smart]

You’re stating you scum read me, and you voting me is giving people misconceptions what misconceptions are you giving off from that...?

That I'm confident in the read or that I definitely want to lynch you today, etc.

[Yachting n Socializing]

So what reads do you have? I had Morality and RC as a solve at one point and Morality as scum for all of d1, now I'm at RC > Snow > Vedithslot > Tarkus > Morality > your slot (via replacement) > Vorkuta in terms of lynch order

are you going to read the rest of the game?

[Morality]

You’re stating you scum read me, and you voting me is giving people misconceptions what misconceptions are you giving off from that...?

That I'm confident in the read or that I definitely want to lynch you today, etc.

Hmm. Fair. Thoughts on the 2 remaining neighborhood players?

[Something_Smart]

Why does it have to be something that you are consciously doing rather than something that I am feeling?

I am feeling like I am potentially being pocketed, by no means of your actions. You in general is what pockets me.

Okay, that's bad phrasing on your part then. Pocketing is generally accepted to mean a scum player intentionally getting someone to townread them, so you shouldn't use that term if it's just a general townread.

[Something_Smart]

@Yellow, because I know it’s gonna come up anyways - We’re joking. Something Smart and I were the team that did that.

It was kind of a dumbass move but it's also an experience that everyone deserves as scum at least once.

[Morality]

Can we not clear Shoshin off of that replacement? ScumShoshin could have possibly seen TownRC or myself going down, and got upset with the modkill being unfair to the scum team.

DDL saw that I’m conf town, though, so I feel it did help Shoshin in the Shoshin vs Morality.

[Morality]

Why does it have to be something that you are consciously doing rather than something that I am feeling?

I am feeling like I am potentially being pocketed, by no means of your actions. You in general is what pockets me.

Okay, that's bad phrasing on your part then. Pocketing is generally accepted to mean a scum player intentionally getting someone to townread them, so you shouldn't use that term if it's just a general townread.

Fair, but I feel the feeling of being pocketed isn’t player specific. Sometimes people can pocket people without ever meaning to through no action of their own.

[Something_Smart]

Hmm. Fair. Thoughts on the 2 remaining neighborhood players?

Johnnyslot and Tarkus? I don't remember much of them from what I've read.

It would be weird for a scum neighbor to kill off all the other neighbors, since iirc there was definitely suspicion going around of a second scum in the neighborhood.

[Yachting n Socializing]

Can we not clear Shoshin off of that replacement? ScumShoshin could have possibly seen TownRC or myself going down, and got upset with the modkill being unfair to the scum team.

DDL saw that I’m conf town, though, so I feel it did help Shoshin in the Shoshin vs Morality.

Shoshin's behavior after the DDL logs is what strongly indicates that slots town. Its a gross reason to be obv town and I will lose respect for them as a player if they're town here, but they're very probably town and angleshoot reads are just as valid as normal ones.

[Something_Smart]

the modkill being unfair to the scum team.

The... what? How could that modkill have possibly been unfair to the scum? It cut off discussion, and it seemed like Dolittle was pretty townread.

[Morality]

Hmm. Fair. Thoughts on the 2 remaining neighborhood players?

Johnnyslot and Tarkus? I don't remember much of them from what I've read.

It would be weird for a scum neighbor to kill off all the other neighbors, since iirc there was definitely suspicion going around of a second scum in the neighborhood.

To be fair, Creature made it obvious he was a cop, and RCE was the biggest heavy player outside of the Boats/Morality/RC/Shoshin quad.

RC/Shoshin never kill one of us there, ScumBoats would need me alive to face off against RC/Shoshin, and if we were all town, scum don’t kill in us.

DDL/COA took the lynch slots.

So i don’t think that was an active decision made.

Also, I have no clue how the general consensus towards each other were in that neighborhood. Why do you assume it was friendly?

[Morality]

the modkill being unfair to the scum team.

The... what? How could that modkill have possibly been unfair to the scum? It cut off discussion, and it seemed like Dolittle was pretty townread.

DDL wasn’t that town read. He was being pushed as scum for a good chunk of Day 1.

I agree with the lack of discussion, however.

I guess I’m just upset I lost the guy who was spouting me as conf town. I wanted to catch scumShoshin.

[Something_Smart]

To be fair, Creature made it obvious he was a cop

He did?

and RCE was the biggest heavy player outside of the Boats/Morality/RC/Shoshin quad.

Doesn't mean he was a guaranteed kill. The scum still made the choice to kill him.

Also, I have no clue how the general consensus towards each other were in that neighborhood. Why do you assume it was friendly?

If anything I assumed the opposite. I said that people seemed to think there was a second scum in the neighborhood, in which case scum would want to keep as many neighbors alive as possible.

[Something_Smart]

I wanted to catch scumShoshin.

You picked the wrong game then because there ain't no scumShoshin here

[Morality]

Yes. I already posted why Creature did that.

Day 1 he claimed he had a “pretty useless role”, then his start of Day 2 he brought up not moving off of Morality, I quoted my first post, and his next post he moves off.

He wasn’t around early in the game. I figured that out pretty easily, and Day 2 wasn’t very long, so I’m not willing to believe that scum didn’t figure that out

[Morality]

I wanted to catch scumShoshin.

You picked the wrong game then because there ain't no scumShoshin here

You’re right. If you’re scum, you’re ScumSomething, and I really wanted to catch a ScumShoshin.

I do lean towards the replace out being townier, but ego doesn’t want me to allow that.

[Something_Smart]

I mean you can use Bayes' law and get that my slot is likelier town than it was before the replacement. How much likelier would depend on your prior for Shoshin replacing out for a matter unrelated to the modkill, which I'd imagine would be a pretty low probability. So you can definitely say I'm reasonably likely town through math alone.

[Vorkuta]

So I blinked and now we're in day 3 with 2 replacements....

Anyway- can I get a recap of who was in the neighborhood?
I can't find find the post

or it was deleted

[Morality]

if i am to consider SS town, Vorkuta/RC make the most sense as the scum team almost based on traitor alone, but that would mean that no other scum is in the neighborhood.

That kind of makes sense why Vorkuta would spout RC and I as TvT, and Vorkuta ended up being who I thought was Shoshin’s partner anyways.

[Morality]

So I blinked and now we're in day 3 with 2 replacements....

Anyway- can I get a recap of who was in the neighborhood?
I can't find find the post

or it was deleted

The 4 dead people, plus Johnny-Vedith slot and Tarkus.

[Morality]

I like to think i should be able to tone read Vorkuta if he’s scum, but both games I played with him he was town.

[Vorkuta]

I only roll town so I don't have a scum game

Thanks for the neighborhood info- now next question: was it actually used/did any productive discussion take place in there or...?
Also is it worth asking about PRs and any night actions right now?

[Dunnstral]

I'm already annoyed

[Vorkuta]

Welcome?