Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Brigitte]

Theres obviously a personality clash going on here but the reactions from Nimuh are....not what I expect given what I can tell personality wise here? Like I would think there would be a hard scum or town read on Enter, and theres neither.

Why is that? That is just strange to me right now.

[Brigitte]

I don't know. People seem to know this person and I don't. Does Nimueh usually get into these types of arguments with players but not have strong opinions on their alignment? Because that seems like it would be a normal response given the personality I am seeing.

[skitter30]

there's almost too much conflict happening amongst the active posters for it to be entirely town-facilitated if that makes sense

perhaps i have an overly negative view of ms towns, but i'm pretty sure if you stuck a group of players in a game and gave all of them town PMs, they would rip each other's heads off.

i mean sure, it definitely could be that everyone sniping at each other is town and that scum are entirely in the group of players that are less influential and/or lurking
it's entirely gut rn but i feel like that isn't the case

i don't have any way to substantiate this or explain why tho

[skitter30]

@Enter, any particular reason, you ignored this post?

I didn't, you posted that after anything I've posted today.

So, you’re here now. Do you tr Rec? He put NMSA at L-1.

this bit was bothering me - i'm not sure why the fact he put nmsa at l-1 is relevant to his alignment.
i mean, it definitely *could* be, but she seems to be indicating here that it's an inherently ai act (in which direction i can't actually tell, now that i think about it), and i don't know why

[skitter30]

What pinged you?

Other than the L-1, at this point just a gut read. That’s why I’m asking and not voting.

right, she's insinuating that it's scummy, but again, the 'why' bit has not been explained

[skitter30]

that's fine, just knowing you have is enough to lower the possible people you can be down to two people anyways

and btw that means that them playing like this is NAI

I would still tr you here, even if I hadn’t played with you before but obviously that helps.

i feel like the ank townread is lazy and/or undeveloped too

[skitter30]

Nimueh
Ankamius
Skitter
Urap

are all town. I don’t understand Brigitte’s Ankamius tunnel. Her case on her is not making sense to me and she discredits any opinion that doesn’t support her Ankamius sr.

Brigitte started pushing Ankamius when she disagreed with her NMSA push iirc. It concerns me that she serms to be sr and shading her for having a different opinion.

why am i town

[Nimueh]

Did you want Enter to respond to that?

I’m not holding my breath.

He won’t respond to anything that contradicts his confiabias on me. I don’t understand your Ankamius sr because I’ve been agreeing with a lot of her posts. I liked the last two of NMSA’s posts for example.

I think the whole seeking towncred theory is often unreasonably way overstated, especially when it would seem to be in direct conflict with a scum wincon.

You like Ank because she makes posts you agree with....

In general, I tend to view mindmelding as a good thing, don’t you?

[Nimueh]

It concerns me that she serms to be sr and shading her for having a different opinion.

Theres a pattern here....

Yes, you’re not taking into account dissenting opinions. Like Rec, for example.

[Nimueh]

@Nimueh: How do you have posts of Ank's you agree with when you haven't even read the first page of the game?

@Brig: yeah, I think you pretty much just rehashed a lot of the thoughts I was having when going through your exchange. I really don't see a townie side to the manufactured interaction Ank had with you at all and urap and skitter both look significantly worse for their parts in the process. I'm ok with an ank or nimueh lynch at this point, I think. I think I want to look more closely at urap and skitter before I make definite reads on them, I feel weird because I was pretty sure of urap as town earlier but I don't really see much town to his play here, either.

I find the thought process, she has demonstrated in many of her posts - the ones I have read, to be coming from a town mindset.

Fwiw, I appreciate this post. It actually looks like you’re actually trying to engage me here.

[Nimueh]

It concerns me that she serms to be sr and shading her for having a different opinion.

Theres a pattern here....

I mean yeah, almost all of Nim's posts reek of falsity.

Hmmm . . . spoke to soon?

[Nimueh]

You know, you're probably right.

The best course of action isn't for me to push a pl. But I also refuse to play with you.

@Mod Please replace me. So sorry.

Please don’t, replace outs are bad for the game.

If people replace out everytime the have an issue with anyone’s behaviour, it just encourages them to keep doing it.

[Nimueh]

And I see Ankamius’ stance on easy lurker lynches, as townie.

And I'm going to keep telling you that I do this as scum too. This isn't a good reason to townread me.

Alright but I don’t see the point of anyone doing that as scum because imo, it’s contrary to their wincon.

[Nimueh]

^--- These posts are all short, wooden, and to the point. They're there to get the job done and nothing else. There's no emotion here at all or nuance that gives the posts personality.

Ummm I was incredibly sick during those posts....

good god could you miss the mark harder if you triedpeople are on brigitte because brig is refusing to engage w/ me and instead is just antagonizing me and going "reck isnt reading the game so idc what he says"and then people are asking brig why she thinks that about me and she's refusing to answer them or give examples

And people wonder why I say reck isn't reading.

again, a town response to this would be "actually ________" with a link to where im wrong but a scum response is to continue discrediting me by saying im not reading

Can you give examples of this? Continuing to repeat he’s not reading, isn’t helpful.

[Flubbernugget]

ngl one of the reasons why i'm fine townbinning you for now is because i figure that if you're scum it'll probably become obvious if you never die (i guess i keep forgetting that the game is nightless rn so maybe this isn't the best idea)

Why do you expect an ank nk?

[Nimueh]

That post was direct proof you haven't been reading.

What SPECIFICALLY has he not been reading?

[Elbirn]

I'm so far behind and I dont feel like I'm a part of this game and I dont know how to get a word in edge wise

Someone spoon feed me or ask me to look at a specific something or something

[skitter30]

ngl one of the reasons why i'm fine townbinning you for now is because i figure that if you're scum it'll probably become obvious if you never die (i guess i keep forgetting that the game is nightless rn so maybe this isn't the best idea)

Why do you expect an ank nk?

not particularly like rn or tonight (or i guess not-tonight given the game is nightless) but i'd kinda expect her to be deaded before like lylo or so if she continues playing like this in a game that had normal nks

[Ankamius]

I have more to say on that and how my fundamental thought process as town works and WHY I've gone this specific route for this specific situation, but I'm pretty certain it'll just get written off as self meta so I'll just stop here and leave the thread for a while

i'd be interested in hearing this, when you get back

Noting that I've read this and will get to it when I am back at my desktop.

[skitter30]

I'm so far behind and I dont feel like I'm a part of this game and I dont know how to get a word in edge wise

Someone spoon feed me or ask me to look at a specific something or something

what do you think of the ank/brig/reck thing that started around here:

What do you think of Brigittes case reck

[Nimueh]

my vote is staying parked on brigitte like until she's dead k bye

"I refuse to engage with a player unless she is already prematurely frustrated and emotional, and making further attempts later on is out of the question. I will now sit on her wagon until she is dead. Do not bother engaging with me further."

i dont know what the hell you're talking about with the second one. im not sure what game you're reading because that isn't at all what happened

ank asked me my thoughts on brig's case against ank
i gave my thoughts
brig ignored it and said i wasnt reading
i tried to engage brig multiple times about her opinion, every time she just said i wasnt reading and ignored me and refused to engage

it's a specific discrediting play. i'm not the one who started this shit with brigitte, she flipped around and started ignoring/discrediting me the SECOND i dared disagree with her case on ank
she's free to try to engage me but she has shown me absolutely nothing to make it worth my effort to continue trying to engage her since there's zero good faith there

my vote stays

I don't know how to tell you this.....


the world doesn't revolve around you.

You are purposely going out of your way to antagonize him here.

[Nimueh]

my vote is staying parked on brigitte like until she's dead k bye

"I refuse to engage with a player unless she is already prematurely frustrated and emotional, and making further attempts later on is out of the question. I will now sit on her wagon until she is dead. Do not bother engaging with me further."

excuse me?

literally what fucking game are you reading jesus goddamn christ

at what point was brigitte emotional? was she frustrated/emotional all because i disagreed with her case on ank? bc if so, maybe mafia's not the game for her. and if not, then she had EVERY opportunity not to discredit me

you're putting the entire burden on me and giving brigitte a pass

what the fuck

She was frustrated when you tried to engage her.

I'm asking you to try to re-engage her right now instead of deciding you'll deathtunnel her for the rest of the game based on a single passing experience.

I think maybe you should take your own advice.

[Nimueh]

If I offended you by saying you played like a manipulative, conniving person, I apologize. That was kinda mean. If it means anything to you, most of my friends are manipulative, conniving people too. Also me, now, I guess.

But calling me a “narcissist” isn’t?

[Enter]

I think maybe you should take your own advice.

I did come back and try to re-engage you, and you refused me a second time.

[Enter]

But calling me a “narcissist” isn’t?

If I condemn a person for a crime harshly, but the person apologizes and admits they perhaps did not mean to inflict the harm that they did, I feel bad and recognize I might have judged too quickly and too harshly.

If I condemn a person for a crime harshly, and the person goes out and commits a second crime, more heinous than the first, I recognize that perhaps my punishment should have been swifter and more forceful.