Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Morality]

I think Vorkuta is a fine suspect, tbh. It’s probably where I’m gonna end up going. I wanna do some deeper analysis, though.

[Yachting n Socializing]

- RC had a very small scum pool at EoD1, and generally kept his scumreads super limited. This is a common scum tactic, as people tend to reflexively scumread and town reading makes less enemies.
- This also fits with him pushing me back after I elected to push him; I was already an enemy, might as well call me one of his scum reads.
- (not a major point) His later reads were angled too: his hardest scum read was Vorkuta at his last post, a low activity player who was also on my side of the 1v1 (as opposed to Tarkus and DDL who he had already worked on pocketing)
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RC claimed essential certainty on NSG being scum, citing a 100% accurate history of reading them. Then, RC changed and said they were almost certainly town in twilight after unvoting.

RC unvoted and then pushed two slots he knew had no chance of getting lynched in the about 1 day before DL we had left, because he wanted to be off the wagon after he successfully got NSG mislynched. The less likely alternative is that RC figured out CoA was the traitor and backed off, which explains his panic, but I don't think this is as probable. He would know she can be low activity as town (as I pointed out) and was unlikely to contest his push. Scot free mislynch.
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RC claimed complete confidence that BnH / Morality was the scum team, 100% confidence, said it would be gamethrowing to not chain lynch us after his death. Then, he completely changed his pace d2, said only 1 of myself and Morality was probably scum, throwing in a Vorkuta lynch as his primary choice.

Claiming 100% confidence and backing off like its nothing as he does in these two examples is arguably a perspective slip, but at best its strongly scum indicative.
- RC actively broke up the town bloc, and a lot of his play has been around that.
- (not a big point) This one is more just something I noticed early on and decided to put a pin in because it'd be cute if true:

[]@BOATS LOOK AT THIS POST LATER[]

RC commented about how vote fluidity was one thing he couldn't fake as scum... and then lacked it completely for the first 80% of the day. For example, he parked Creature despite calling him town for a long time before he moved his vote.
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RC's Yellow read is clearly fabricated

. He has had him as lock town since like first third of day 1, and really, this is scummy regardless of Yellow's alignment. Either its a traitor game where scum can't really afford to bus as much and he decided to try to lock town his newbie partner, or he fabricated his read on the weakest player in order to pocket them (very easy on newbies). Yellow's iso is blatantly scummy, and you can argue twtbw (which I kind of thought at one point) but the complete confidence he's town is clear garbage. I prodded him on this many times, as did other players d1, and he dodged every time because when you play a super aggro hyperposty style you can afford to dodge shit like that and the vast majority of ppl will forget or not care. But this is one of the strongest points here I think.
- RC's lock solve scum pool d1 was mostly town
- (weaker angleshooty point) RC claiming VT as he essentially did and then yelling to be docced is a good reason to explain why he's alive late game, since with Yellow as a partner he would need to be planning to endgame.


Just some notes, I don't think there's really a point to hard case a slot that has a new player.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I think Vorkuta is a fine suspect, tbh. It’s probably where I’m gonna end up going. I wanna do some deeper analysis, though.

Nope weee are lynching RC today

[Morality]

Good case, I was feeling he was scum for similar reasons tbh, but something in my gut just says he’s town to me.

Maybe I’m being touched by the replacement.

[YellowSnow]

It seems kind of opportunistic to make a case like this after he left the game and not before.

[Ankamius]

I'll look at the case in more detail a bit later on

I don't like 2679

[YellowSnow]

Why?

[Yachting n Socializing]

It seems kind of opportunistic to make a case like this after he left the game and not before.

I touched on most of if not all of those points briefly when he was here, directly questioned him on some, and was asked to post it. so you could say I had an opportunity

[Vorkuta]

No

Yes

No

This is probably an OMGUS vote coming from the fact that I've done nothing but vote him for all of D1.

[YellowSnow]

Vorkuta's reads are all about gut and not about any computational analysis of what is actually happening in the game. Which is fine if you just want to lynch random people, which we shouldn't.

[Morality]

It seems kind of opportunistic to make a case like this after he left the game and not before.

I feel like it was coming Day 2 before it ended abruptly, so I don’t necessarily see it as opportunistic.

[YellowSnow]

I don't feel like BnH ever wanted to agressively challenge RC when he was here.

[YellowSnow]

Also, I see nothing indicating any reads in your ISO aside from agreeing with Boon's town bloc.

I haven't talked about my reads yet and no one has asked what they are so that may be why.

People need to ask for reads to be given? I said that to imply I wanted to know your reads.

And this was not subtle.

Noting Morality ignored me again. For all intents and purposes I'm voting both Morality and Snow right now.

also this almost always makes bnh/morality wolf/wolf on top of everything else
there are tons of points in the game that make bnh/morality wolf/wolf

like literally dozens

In fact considering this post I consider BnH's points to be fairly OMGUS.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I don't feel like BnH ever wanted to agressively challenge RC when he was here.

I did challenge him eod1 and when I was here, revisionist history

[Yachting n Socializing]

Also, I see nothing indicating any reads in your ISO aside from agreeing with Boon's town bloc.

I haven't talked about my reads yet and no one has asked what they are so that may be why.

People need to ask for reads to be given? I said that to imply I wanted to know your reads.

And this was not subtle.

Noting Morality ignored me again. For all intents and purposes I'm voting both Morality and Snow right now.

also this almost always makes bnh/morality wolf/wolf on top of everything else
there are tons of points in the game that make bnh/morality wolf/wolf

like literally dozens

In fact considering this post I consider BnH's points to be fairly OMGUS.

This is well after I called RC scum (and before RC changed his whine d2)

[YellowSnow]

aura

RC
Vorkuta

vedith
rcenigma

boon



the scum reads are stronger than the town ones.

[Aura, Boats]
[Vorkuta > RC]
[Shoshin]
[CultOfAthena, Roomy, Tarkus]
[RCE > Vedith > Creature]
[Snow > Morality]

the lower and righter the scummier

{Aura, Boats}
{Vorkuta, RC}
{CoA}
Confident town core of 4 so far, pre good. Hope Creature obv towns by the time I wake up and makes it 5. Gn!

Boats
Aura
Vorkuta

RC
CoA

DDL
RCE (this is reliant on Creature!scum)

YellowSnow

Shoshin
Tarkus
Vedith
Morality

Creature

I would love 3 of the bottom 4 to be scum and this be a wrap. I am more solid CoA and up reads wise, the bottom is more nebulous.

You seem to pretty consistantly townread RC up until now.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I started doubting it at 1211, but yes, quote posts from the first third of the game and I omgus'd RC.

[Morality]

I don't feel like BnH ever wanted to agressively challenge RC when he was here.

Then why’d he vote him yesterday? That’s asking for aggression tbh

[YellowSnow]

Not necessarily.

[Yachting n Socializing]

Yes necessarily

[YellowSnow]

So who was scummier RC or CoA?

[Yachting n Socializing]

Alright, this conversation is over.

@Ank @SS please respond to the case with thoughts when you're around.

[Dunnstral]

It feels to me like you're taking stuff you know RC would do as town and trying to paint it as technically scummy

[Yachting n Socializing]

I touched on most of if not all of those points briefly when he was here, directly questioned him on some

[Dunnstral]

RC: If he "knew" CoA and Morality were both town then it makes sense for him to change wagons late. If CoA dies anyways then he's off a "town" lynch, killed a strong player who hadn't really gotten going yet, and he can rage about people not following him onto Morality. If people followed onto Morailty then he gets a lynch on one of his biggest opponents and I think he has the confidence that it wouldn't come back to bite him. Either way he gets reactions like 2574. There's also a possibility that he somehow got tipped off to CoA being traitor in which case it makes even more sense to try for a shift onto Morality. He was a dominant force D1 and I frankly don't believe that town!RC would be so wrong about a game he was so heavily invested in. Maybe that's a dumb way to read him but I feel it. I'm also inclined to follow Creature's call.

You've put forward a hypothetical scenario as a case. I agree, if RC was doing that it would look pretty bad. Can you point to where you think he is doing that?

Is that not what happened end of day 1? He had lock-scum on CoA, unvoted because he was mad nobody was listening, then the wagon picked up, then he hard objected to lynching CoA, and then he went onto BnH and then Morality. I think that's the accurate path of his wagon shift

It's not what happened yesterday, no. This is your theory of what

could

have happened, I'm asking if you have anything to back up your point of view.

Anyone can make a paragraph about another player could be doing as scum - that's meaningless. What backs up your theory? Just the fact that he changed his vote?