Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Dunnstral]

I touched on most of if not all of those points briefly when he was here, directly questioned him on some

That doesn't change anything

[Yachting n Socializing]

:O

[Yachting n Socializing]

who's scum, Dunn? how much have you read?

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it is productive for me to talk with you as I do not think you are going to not tunnel my slot

[YellowSnow]

Hey Dunn! Hopefully you are one of the one's in my lynch pool who is town. I had fun winning with you as scum last time. Would love to win with you again.

[Yachting n Socializing]

you have played with me enough that you should i know i never truly tunnel, and ive flipped on tunnels harder than this one before
is it common or do i think its really likely rc is town here? not really, but if you're town its your duty to convince me and others of so

[Ankamius]

Why?

Because that case was specifically requested, I don't think he posts it without that prodding.

The game is slow enough currently that I don't really believe the didn't see it card, especially since the request was made by a slot in your lynch pool.

[YellowSnow]

Nope I didn't see it.

[Yachting n Socializing]

and was asked to post it

I said this in a conversation with you

[Ankamius]

Ok sure

[Yachting n Socializing]

what do you think of the post itself Ank?

[Something_Smart]

Alright, this conversation is over.

@Ank @SS please respond to the case with thoughts when you're around.

I see really only one small thing that explains why he wouldn't act that way as town, and it's ambiguous and hard to understand ("He would know she can be low activity as town (as I pointed out) and was unlikely to contest his push").

Other than that, it's a mountainload of confirmation bias.

[Yachting n Socializing]

No its not, see the bolded. That is not confirmation bias.

[Ankamius]

- RC had a very small scum pool at EoD1, and generally kept his scumreads super limited. This is a common scum tactic, as people tend to reflexively scumread and town reading makes less enemies.

Is this an RC trait though? RC is known for being a very good scum player.

- This also fits with him pushing me back after I elected to push him; I was already an enemy, might as well call me one of his scum reads.

I'll need context for this, I think. I can't see this being AI without knowing the context itself.

- (not a major point) His later reads were angled too: his hardest scum read was Vorkuta at his last post, a low activity player who was also on my side of the 1v1 (as opposed to Tarkus and DDL who he had already worked on pocketing)

I'll need context for this too.

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RC claimed essential certainty on NSG being scum, citing a 100% accurate history of reading them. Then, RC changed and said they were almost certainly town in twilight after unvoting.

RC unvoted and then pushed two slots he knew had no chance of getting lynched in the about 1 day before DL we had left, because he wanted to be off the wagon after he successfully got NSG mislynched. The less likely alternative is that RC figured out CoA was the traitor and backed off, which explains his panic, but I don't think this is as probable. He would know she can be low activity as town (as I pointed out) and was unlikely to contest his push. Scot free mislynch.

This is interesting. What did he state as the reason for hopping off the wagon?

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RC claimed complete confidence that BnH / Morality was the scum team, 100% confidence, said it would be gamethrowing to not chain lynch us after his death. Then, he completely changed his pace d2, said only 1 of myself and Morality was probably scum, throwing in a Vorkuta lynch as his primary choice.

Claiming 100% confidence and backing off like its nothing as he does in these two examples is arguably a perspective slip, but at best its strongly scum indicative.

I kinda feel like this is playstyle more than anything alignment specific

- RC actively broke up the town bloc, and a lot of his play has been around that.

Who were the townblock at that point?

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(not a big point) This one is more just something I noticed early on and decided to put a pin in because it'd be cute if true:

[]@BOATS LOOK AT THIS POST LATER[]

RC commented about how vote fluidity was one thing he couldn't fake as scum... and then lacked it completely for the first 80% of the day. For example, he parked Creature despite calling him town for a long time before he moved his vote.

I'll need to double check this, noting.

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RC's Yellow read is clearly fabricated

. He has had him as lock town since like first third of day 1, and really, this is scummy regardless of Yellow's alignment. Either its a traitor game where scum can't really afford to bus as much and he decided to try to lock town his newbie partner, or he fabricated his read on the weakest player in order to pocket them (very easy on newbies). Yellow's iso is blatantly scummy, and you can argue twtbw (which I kind of thought at one point) but the complete confidence he's town is clear garbage. I prodded him on this many times, as did other players d1, and he dodged every time because when you play a super aggro hyperposty style you can afford to dodge shit like that and the vast majority of ppl will forget or not care. But this is one of the strongest points here I think.
- RC's lock solve scum pool d1 was mostly town
- (weaker angleshooty point) RC claiming VT as he essentially did and then yelling to be docced is a good reason to explain why he's alive late game, since with Yellow as a partner he would need to be planning to endgame.

I'll check this too

[Morality]

To be fair, RC does play scum in a way so he can write it off that’s how he plays as town.

[Morality]

I think the case is solid, I thought a good amount of the stuff too. It doesn’t make RC slot scum, but the case itself is solid.

[Ankamius]

I don't think the case itself is scummy, but it's the kind of thing where I will have to cross check to see if I can get a sense whether it's compelling or not

I kinda wish he was still here, he's a player I can generally read given enough time interacting with him.

[Ankamius]

Tbh I might just try the same tactic that made me realize he was town in two of our last games together, it's been mostly true in my experience

[Yachting n Socializing]

I kinda wish he was still here, he's a player I can generally read given enough time interacting with him.

FUCKING SAME

[Ankamius]

Actually it turned out true in the third

Okay I should just read the thread then

Siiiiiiiiigh

[Ankamius]

Wait I'm high, one of those games is older than I thought

Nvm then

[YellowSnow]

The case itself isn't bad, I'm just a little suspicious of the timing of it.

[Ankamius]

To be fair, RC does play scum in a way so he can write it off that’s how he plays as town.

I think the case is solid, I thought a good amount of the stuff too. It doesn’t make RC slot scum, but the case itself is solid.

Why do these posts feel weird boon

[YellowSnow]

I'm not comfortable lynching anyone on the CoA wagon or in the neighborhood unless there is an overwhelming case.

[Ankamius]

I'm not comfortable lynching anyone

on the CoA wagon

or in the neighborhood unless there is an overwhelming case.

I'm curious why this is.