Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Something_Smart]

If you are town, then help me work this out. 9:4 is insane, so I can't imagine scum have a roleblocker... so it would have to be a townie that RB'd me or rolestopped you.

Maybe we should have everyone massclaim whether or not they interfered with my action.

[Vorkuta]

And why can you spoonfeed me why creature WOULD ABSOLUTELY investigate you over RC?

[Morality]

If you think I’m scum who’s lying about there being 4 scum, then save me for when that’s proven to not be true.

That means if we don’t hit scum today or tomorrow, if the game continues, I’m lock scum.

I’m going to be going for scum just as much as you are, but lynching me today means you don’t get any more mislynches without losing the game.

[Morality]

If you are town, then help me work this out. 9:4 is insane, so I can't imagine scum have a roleblocker... so it would have to be a townie that RB'd me or rolestopped you.

Maybe we should have everyone massclaim whether or not they interfered with my action.

I could see a limited roleblocker of sorts. But scum likely don’t have much power.

[Morality]

I’m confirmed Not Ascetic from yesterday, by the way.

VOTE: Morality

I'm like only lynching Morality today but we can see who else is scum.

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

@Creature

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

So, I was pretty sure Creature targeted me Night 1, which shows I’m not Ascetic.

@Vorkuta

[Morality]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

And then Creature votes here after.

I forgot I messed up with my original quoting whenI quoted Boats vote over Creature’s.

[YellowSnow]

9:4 isn't insane if there's a traitor and an all town neighborhood.

[Morality]

9:4 isn't insane if there's a traitor and an all town neighborhood.

All town neighborhood is expected to destroy itself too.

That would mean scum’s probably Vorkuta, one of Shoshin/RC, and hell, probably Boats.

If Boats is town, I think there’s a scum in the neighborhood, and I don’t see Boats as scum with RC.

[Morality]

ScumVorkuta implicates ScumRC too based on how he reacted towards RC vs Morality, and then it got pushed a little as a Vorkuta/Morality team.

Vorkuta, I don’t want to mislynch you, help me out if you’re town.

[Vorkuta]

Yeah I read that exchange.
That doesn't account for

-What if creature had another gut read he wanted verification on?
-What if he was lazy/didn't catchup/ignored this?
-Why would he cop you if he was "only lynching you" today?
-He could still target you even if you are ascetic.
And the kicker

He Voted you. #2361 After he "100!% investigated you" with his N1 cop.

[Morality]

Zero scum motivation. That’s the most anti scum thing ever, and I don’t play anti scum as scum.

Would you deny that, from my point of view here, if you are scum, you're absolutely playing to survive as long as possible?

If I actually got a guilty on you, there's no way you endgame. So your motivation would just be to survive as long as you possibly could and sow confusion in the meantime.

Do you see how this makes sense from my point of view?

I wanna come back to this for a second. I’m extremely survivilastic of a player. check the last NK15 game. I was IC flipped immediately and trolled until end game and I caught the final 2 scum.

[YellowSnow]

I still don't like lynching BnH here and would prefer Vorkuta/Dunn/Smart in that order.

[Vorkuta]

I don't want to be mislynched either

So based on S_Smart's accusation, either one of you is definitely scum, however you both make convincing arguments for why neither of you can't be the lynch today.
(smart because PR, and morality because informed 4 scum)
So... these 2 are out of the lynchpool or..?

[Morality]

Yeah I read that exchange.
That doesn't account for

-What if creature had another gut read he wanted verification on?
-What if he was lazy/didn't catchup/ignored this?
-Why would he cop you if he was "only lynching you" today?
-He could still target you even if you are ascetic.
And the kicker

He Voted you. #2361 After he "100!% investigated you" with his N1 cop.

He copped me. He got a guilty. He didn’t realize I was a miller because he missed the early game, which was a big discussion of this game early game.

[Vorkuta]

#735
By that reasoning, the argument can be made that he caught that and wouldn't waste the investigative on you.

Or are you telling me that creature
-Town Reads you
-Acknowledges that you are either ascetic or miller
-ASSUMES that you're lying on both counts
-And then proceeds to investigate you anyway

As opposed to him targeting literally anybody else?

[Vorkuta]

Here's where I stand with people

-Boats: very nice, I like.
HOWEVER this is a complete 360+moonwalk from the last game I played with

mbaki

, both personality and moveswise.
-

Shoshin

SSmart. It's hilarious that the 2 are targetting morality with such vengeance.

-

Vedith

Anka
Vedith felt like he was softclaiming, and Anka is scumhunting

-Morality/

RC

Dunn
Just no. I said I won't sort them, so they stay here.

-Tarkus (he's been lurking so much idk what to say), Snow (the OMGUS tunneling is real, bad, and unjustified)

[Vorkuta]

As for the neighborhood, my last game had 2 all town neighborhoods (and a masonry).
I made the mistake of thinking that neighborhoods were almost completely useless, but the design person said that it was quite a bit of town power so I'm torn.

Why wasn't it announced earlier?

[Morality]

He just wanted confirmation on me. I’ve played with Creature a lot. Both him and RCE would use Night Actions on me Night 1.

It’s not wasting an investigation. It’s confirming a slot.

Honestly, I am 100% confident he investigated me to the point where it’s not even worth debating.

[Morality]

Vedith is fence sitting hard

[YellowSnow]

@Vorkuta calling me OMGUS tunneling is just plain ridiculous. I've said exactly why I have you on the top of my lynch pool and it's not for voting me. To indicate otherwise is just distorting the truth and reinforces my belief that you are scum.

[YellowSnow]

Can we just lynch Vorkuta please? Not only is he rightfully in the lynchpool based on verifiable things(voting/neighborhood) he is way to interested in who is voting him rather than actually looking for scum.

[Morality]

Vedith is fence sitting hard

I meant to say vorkuta here, my auto correct has seen me say Vedith a bunch I guess.

[Morality]

I don't want to be mislynched either

So based on S_Smart's accusation, either one of you is definitely scum, however you both make convincing arguments for why neither of you can't be the lynch today.
(smart because PR, and morality because informed 4 scum)
So... these 2 are out of the lynchpool or..?

This also isn’t necessarily true.

SS doesn’t have a guilty. He made that obvious. I feel he could have been gambiting, but whatever.

If he’s telling the truth, then he could have been roleblocked, I could have been rolestopped.

Shoshin as town or scum makes sense to be targeted in that fashion.

[Tarkus]

Creature said in the hood n2 that RC was wrong on Morality

[YellowSnow]

Was that an opinion or a night result?