Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Tarkus]

He didn't claim a result

[YellowSnow]

Does creature have a good record on finding scum early in games?

[Yachting n Socializing]

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I'm Josh on there, I've never played video mafia before so feel free to laugh at how bad I am! feel free to root for and/or against me in chat!

[Yachting n Socializing]

I won 2-0

[Yachting n Socializing]

I am now 5-0 since coming back, between mbaki / 451 / live mafia and we are keeping that rolling.

Everything else can wait

First,

Boon

is going to hard claim Ascetic or not Ascetic.
Second,

SS

is going to hard claim failed action or not failed action (ie, gambit).
Third,

every player

is going to hard claim if they did or did not do something that may have interfered with any hypothetical action - basically, if you targeted Screen or Boon last night with something that would affect results.

Neither SS nor any other player should claim any specific actions yet, just whether they targeted or not. So for example, if I am a roleblocker, I would claim I MAY HAVE INTERFERED, not I ROLEBLOCKED SS

. If there is interference found, we will potentially get to that step.



We go from there.

[YellowSnow]

Shouldn't we you know, vote on a mass claim?

[Morality]

You realize that because I am town, if SS isn't town, or is gambiting, all that does is out a potential PR, right?

[Yachting n Socializing]

Shouldn't we you know, vote on a mass claim?

No. Its the optimal play.

[Morality]

it’s not optimal because I’m town, already basically confirmed town, so we know that it’s just going to out a PR.

[Yachting n Socializing]

You realize that because I am town, if SS isn't town, or is gambiting, all that does is out a potential PR, right?

And from your POV sure, that works! But you aren't an IC so that is not an assumption to make.
The point of that order is if SS is gambiting he can admit it. I don't remember him being a gambity player (though I have limited experience), but sure, its possible. He seems pretty spewed town by Shoshin regardless, but sure, he could be scum. However, the odds of outing a town PR are extremely low. There are very few town PRs which could interact like that, roleblocker and rolestopper being two of the very few possibilities, and the odds town both has one of those few niche roles, and that said town role chose to target the exact player that would cause this interaction, are drastically low. So essentially, the risk is close to 0 and therefore the reward outweighs it.

[Morality]

And if scum has the blocker, and SS is town, it gives SS a double mislynch path, which kind of fits with the agenda you’re pushing with it.

I don’t really think you’re scum, tbh, but yeah.

[Morality]

The thing is what do we get out of doing that if town doesn’t have the role? What if scum were the blockers?

[Yachting n Socializing]

And if scum has the blocker, and SS is town, it gives SS a double mislynch path, which kind of fits with the agenda you’re pushing with it.

I don’t really think you’re scum, tbh, but yeah.

If scum has 4 members they do not have a roleblocker lmao

it’s not optimal because I’m town, already basically confirmed town, so we know that it’s just going to out a PR.

You aren't confirmed town if you're ascetic. SS claims you're ascetic. Ergo, this is happening and if you keep arguing with my plan I will just lynch you.

[Morality]

i see why TownYou would push that, but I think it just helps scum.

[Yachting n Socializing]

The thing is what do we get out of doing that if town doesn’t have the role? What if scum were the blockers?

And to play devils advocate, sure, its 4:9 and scum have a roleblocker. Then SS has already claimed and scum is the PR so there's no town PR outed.

[Yachting n Socializing]

First, Boon is going to hard claim Ascetic or not Ascetic.

Now please.

[Morality]

And if scum has the blocker, and SS is town, it gives SS a double mislynch path, which kind of fits with the agenda you’re pushing with it.

I don’t really think you’re scum, tbh, but yeah.

If scum has 4 members they do not have a roleblocker lmao

it’s not optimal because I’m town, already basically confirmed town, so we know that it’s just going to out a PR.

You aren't confirmed town if you're ascetic. SS claims you're ascetic. Ergo, this is happening and if you keep arguing with my plan I will just lynch you.

I’m confirmed Not Ascetic...

Holy fuck. It’s not even up for debate.

Creature targeted me. End of story.

[Morality]

First, Boon is going to hard claim Ascetic or not Ascetic.

Now please.

This was literally stated at least 5 times in this thread already.

[Morality]

The thing is what do we get out of doing that if town doesn’t have the role? What if scum were the blockers?

And to play devils advocate, sure, its 4:9 and scum have a roleblocker. Then SS has already claimed and scum is the PR so there's no town PR outed.

You don’t get anything out of this.

I’m still town.

[Morality]

There is literally zero chance Creature didn’t target me.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

Town

As Vorkuta mentioned, this makes it less likely he targeted you and more likely he copped RC - but I will get into that and everything else after we sort this out.

[Morality]

There’s actually zero chance RCE didn’t target me either.

That one I’m willing to debate on, but not with Creature’s.

[Morality]

I’m an ascetic Miller.

One of those are true.

Town

As Vorkuta mentioned, this makes it less likely he targeted you and more likely he copped RC - but I will get into that and everything else after we sort this out.

Disagree. Creature would confirm his town read on me, and he didn’t post near the end of the day. That was Creature’s entrance into the game basically.

Also, Vorkuta’s scum, so I don’t get your point.

[Morality]

If I wasn’t Creature’s target, who was?

RC is confirmed NOT his target.

And he didn’t crumb anywhere else.

Creature even mentioned me in the neighborhood.

There’s 100% no doubt that he targeted me.

If you can’t see that, you’re scum. Simple as that.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I don't agree Vorkuta's scum but that is a discussion for later.

Waiting on SS, then we can start claiming interfere / not interfere.