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Post Post #4025 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:14 pm

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Post Post #4026 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:17 pm

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In post 3937, Pink Ball wrote:@Torque I have information you don't have about A50, you shouldn't vote him.
And I have information you don't about Elena (well unless you do), so you shouldn't vote her.

We could indeed go on with this forever.

But I have damn good reasons for this process.

Elena's either confirmed tomorrow, or tomorrow's lynch.

You know that offer I made in regards to Toogeloo?

Same deal applies for tonight.

Literally exact same one, in fact, only difference being I think Elena's town while I thought Toog was scum, but the important part is.
Elena's not getting off the hook. She either becomes confirmed tomorrow, or she's lynched tomorrow.
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Post Post #4027 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:20 pm

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In post 4020, mastina wrote:My D1 play?
Normal me.
My D2 play?
Not as normal of me, but still close to my normal me.
My D3 play prior to the modkill?
Normal me.

My D3 play post-modkill?

Fucking ticked off.
Chito: Am I missing something here or are you claiming scum...? Why would a modkill on scum make you 'fucking ticked off' as town?
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Post Post #4028 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:22 pm

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In post 3947, Almost50 wrote:And WITH TWO BLOODY MILLERS GUARANTEEING WE HAVE AN INVESTIGATIVE, how the hell do we know if one of us didn't get checked already? We can't both be GFs, can we? So why do we risk lynching the GF (if one existed) and have the other guiltied?
You can apply this same logic to Elena and I.

I am, quite literally.

The perfect investigation target.

As scum, I take it as a given that I'm going to be investigated, because literally nobody is a better target than I am; my scumplay revolves largely around minimizing the damage/fallout from the resulting investigation. Because I know it'll happen. People fear my scumgame too much. People always think everything comes from scumastina, because anything could.

Elena has been a lynch candidate since D1--why wouldn't she be investigated?

You can make strong arguments for both of us being investigated, and those arguments are no less valid than any argument you could pose for Gamma/yourself.
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Post Post #4029 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:24 pm

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In post 3980, Torque wrote:thats the spewing post i'm looking for (3977)
I don't really think it is, but one of the reasons I switched to Gamma beyond the momentum moving there was precisely because of it--you know what I said about picking and choosing battles?

I'd be fighting a losing one there, soooooooooo.
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Post Post #4030 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:26 pm

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In post 3995, Almost50 wrote:I want Elena lynched. mastina's going to resist that as either alignment.
Because I have fucking good reason to--today.

That reasoning disappears, or is permanently cemented, by tomorrow.

Elena's either getting lynched D4, or never lynched this game at all.

No two ways about it.
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Post Post #4031 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:29 pm

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In post 4002, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4000, mastina wrote:Pretty sure this isn't the hammer, so:
VOTE: Gamma Emerald.
When was the last time mastina miscounted votes and "accidentally" hammered?? :P
That would be Steven Universe: Prequel. (Well, sort-of. I thought I was casting a double-vote which would place RR at L-1; it was a triple-vote.)
My other accidental hammers were hammers because I didn't even know the slots were being voted, which this game is decidedly not because I switched my vote to Gamma specifically
because
I knew she was being voted.

But I'm not seeing the hammer?

I'm pretty sure it's like, four, five votes including my own.
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Post Post #4032 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:32 pm

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In post 4009, Almost50 wrote:Not gonna respond to SCUM!mastina, but I will note she's arguing for the sake of argument even if it makes her look more of a REDACTED.
Yes, I am.

FOR GOOD FUCKING REASON.

I have good fucking reason to be arguing this shit.
In post 4009, Almost50 wrote:She insists it doesn't make sense for PB to confuse his role when she's explicitly TRing him.
I've made my viewpoint on this quite clear.
Just because a point is good, does not mean the point is right.
In a role madness UPick game where every player has a flavor character that has abilities tailored to fit the flavor, the idea of someone thinking they're a VT is dubious.
This is a good point.

It is also not a right one, because in spite of that, Pink Ball is town. More than that, he has an excuse; not being the original slot holder, that sort of error goes from "literally impossible to make" to "okay so it seems a little weird, but it's at least possible, and benefit of the doubt...".
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Post Post #4033 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:34 pm

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In post 4028, mastina wrote:The perfect investigation target.
Again, thinking too big of yourself. If I was Cop I would not have you in my top 5 checks in this game. If I was a Vif though you'd have been in my top 2 regardless of my read on you because -if you're town- you'd lead the town off a cliff anyway. But keep on dreaming.

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Post Post #4034 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:35 pm

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Last VC: C&Y

Page 160:
In post 3978, Pink Ball wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald

It's counterwagon time
In post 3979, Almost50 wrote:Whatever. OK.

VOTE: Gamma

His vote pm me was either scum indicative or brainless indicative (or both, actually)
In post 3980, Torque wrote:ah amazing

thats the spewing post i'm looking for (3977)

VOTE: Gamma
This is more likely right than A50
In post 3987, Near x Mello wrote:Actually i give up on gamma developing a brain here

He "acknowledged" my 1 hour post where i tried to clear up any misunderstandings around my read on him only to call me scum again in the next post

it will still prolly flip town but i dont care at this point

VOTE: gamma
Page 161:
In post 4000, mastina wrote:Pretty sure this isn't the hammer, so:
VOTE: Gamma Emerald.

Today I finally have the capability to fucking respond to the last...what? 20 pages or so?

I know that technically speaking placing a vote on the lead wagon is detrimental to that as it only takes a hammer in order for my ability to catch up be silenced, but hey.
That's what the neighborhood is for; it serves as an emergency catchup backup, where I can outline my thoughts and bring them to the thread D4 if need be.

But ideally, nobody hammers until after I finished catching up, which will take me a few hours most likely.
Last VC was on page 159 so I don't know why you would forget our vote was still on Gamma, and then all the votes to L-1 were basically right next to each other on 160... you knew what you were doing.
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Post Post #4035 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:42 pm

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In post 4010, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4006, mastina wrote:even the best scum planners (e.g. me)
Best scum planner my ears. You never have been.
Try telling that to me next time I'm scum. :cool:

My plans as scum may not win the game always, but they do a damn fucking good job of, when followed, getting us much closer to the win.

Or are you going to argue that all those times that my scumteam has gone from nearly obliterated to dangerously close to winning were because of nothing but bad luck and shitty towns (in spite of that being literally the opposite of the case where it was the towns not being shitty which necessitated creativity in scum planning)?

Heck, Nancy's still tilted-as-fuck that my plan managed to hard-frame her in mystery box of silver. That was carefully planned, carefully engineered, to give us a shot at victory. We had pretty much 0% odds of winning on D1, because the scumteam were 100% in the poe of literally every single town player; there wasn't a town player who wasn't scumreading one or BOTH of us.

My strength as scum isn't in avoiding scumreads--never claimed it was. I can't avoid being scumread, and don't even try. My strength as scum is in exploiting those scumreads, and turning that 0% chance of winning into like...a 5, 10% chance of winning. Not good odds, but sheep got to lylo that game, following the plan I laid out for him to a T. And he made some good points, too, just...not good enough to overcome the 90-95% odds he was up against.

Nobody as scum could've won that game. I don't care if it were fucking RadiantCowbells himself, the town that game was literally top-notch-as-top-notch-gets. It was unwinnable from D1--and I turned unwinnable-from-D1 into fight-to-the-bitter-end. Heck, Pink Ball was in that game so he saw me there. He saw what I did; was my plan that of someone unskilled as scum? Or was it something that, given the circumstances, was literally the best (and frankly only) play to make?

I may not win my scumgames, but I can also tell you that pretty much each and every loss--barring some fringe cases--was still a personal victory for me in the front of manipulation. In the front of turning the situation to my side. (Granted, it does only work if my scumbuddies follow my plan; bussing me when I explicitly tell them don't fucking bus me yet tends to ruin those plans. :shifty: )
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Post Post #4036 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:44 pm

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In post 4031, mastina wrote:
In post 4002, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4000, mastina wrote:Pretty sure this isn't the hammer, so:
VOTE: Gamma Emerald.
When was the last time mastina miscounted votes and "accidentally" hammered?? :P
That would be Steven Universe: Prequel. (Well, sort-of. I thought I was casting a double-vote which would place RR at L-1; it was a triple-vote.)
My other accidental hammers were hammers because I didn't even know the slots were being voted, which this game is decidedly not because I switched my vote to Gamma specifically
because
I knew she was being voted.

But I'm not seeing the hammer?

I'm pretty sure it's like, four, five votes including my own.
Hey I was there for that.

It was bad.

But she was also town there, just bad town being bad.

@A50: Why are you so upset? This rancor towards mastina/people voting you...this...isn't normal.

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Post Post #4037 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:45 pm

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In post 4015, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4011, mastina wrote:
In post 3878, Almost50 wrote:She also said you were scum, in the beginning but then reversed her read on you when nobody bought it.
Yeah no.
I don't back off scumreads as scum when nobody buys them--quite the opposite, that's when I double down on them.
scumastina's not afraid to push players she alone scumreads; quite the opposite, it's her preference.

I changed my read on Reasonably Psychotic because the circumstances changed. Because I had reason to believe Cerb was town that I didn't hold before then.
I believe they were talking about your read reversal on me, not RP.
Point stands--I could have pushed you if I wanted to; there was nothing anyone else did which made me not want to.

However, because I'm town, I genuinely had the read shift when in tandem with knowing your identity and knowing you were trying to improve your play, I had perspective I previously lacked. That perspective shifted the read. Not the perspective of others. The perspective from me, about you.
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Post Post #4038 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:46 pm

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Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

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Post Post #4039 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:47 pm

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In post 4038, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

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Post Post #4040 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:51 pm

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In post 4039, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4038, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

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Post Post #4041 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:52 pm

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In post 4036, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I'm a pretty okay scum planner. That's all.
You, Sir, are more than "pretty okay" but I salute your modesty.

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Post Post #4042 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:53 pm

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In post 4040, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 4039, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4038, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

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Post Post #4043 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 4042, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4040, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 4039, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4038, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

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Post Post #4044 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:59 pm

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As for why I'm upset, it's because this garbage had gone on for too long, and I explained it in other games 9that have ended now). I have lost 5 pf my last 6 games, and I was only scum in one of them. Why? because people are too lazy to think for themselves, so they either sheep scum or paranoid town who just think it safer to get rid of me lest I rolled scum. Even those who TR me insist on asking for details of my "gambit plans" beforehand, which renders my whole play useless. I either get lynched or fold my hand preemptively all the time. The only solution now is to turn to my troll account and stop efforting. I don't care whether I get lynched, vigged by town or make bad calls resulting in losing the game when I'm playing with AP, so that's what I intend to do.

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Post Post #4045 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:01 pm

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In post 4018, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4011, mastina wrote:I'm a damn fucking good scum player, a fact you are all well too aware of.
Not when I have identified you as scum on D1 (and in the first half of the day mind you) in TM 2018.
Hey newsflash.

Team Mafia 2018 was literally a picture-perfect replication of my towngame.

Literally have never had a scumgame closer to replicating my towngame.

Heck, it's that game which is why I say "anything I could do, could come from scumastina".
Not any other game.
Not any prior game.
Not any future games past it.

If you look, I'm pretty sure that phrase was nonexistent prior to that game, but slowly came to use after it--because that game represented the ultimate proof of it; I broke almost every single one of my towntells in that game. The VERY few that weren't broken there did get broken in
later
scumgames, but the VAST majority of my towntells were broken that game.

And also newsflash.

Team Mafia 2018 represented me constantly.
Neverendingly.
Being behind.

I was over 100 pages behind when they lynched me there.
I never checked with my teammates; I was too busy trying to post in thread.
I barely knew anything that was going on there.
That was a highly unusual scumgame of mine--one which was for all intents and purposes, not a true scumgame.

I was always behind.
That wasn't a fake.
That wasn't me lying.
That wasn't me exaggerating.
I literally was reading slower than new pages were cropping up.
I
couldn't
play to my maximum effect, because there wasn't a way for me to do so.
And yet in spite of the D1 lynch on me.
In spite of the inability to keep up with the game.

It remains my best scumgame ever.
Because it was just
that
damn close a replica of my towngame.

I've never since managed to replicate it as well as I did that game.

The issue with that game was that the majority of the people in that game were scumreading my towngame.

The people intimately familiar with my towngame? Those were the people
townreading
me there. Ghostlin, for instance, was fooled through-and-through...not because he lacked experience with me, but because he
had
experience with me.

In that game, I only made that one mistake. That one mistake, which I do regret; I tailored my game to look like my towngame perfectly--which in a playerlist filled to the brim with players who knew me, would've worked...but in a playerlist which didn't know me, didn't work. I should've recognized that the players in there didn't know my towngame and then proceed to not give a fuck about it, to scum it up openly...which would've caused the people who knew me to scumread me, but they wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing about it because the majority would've townread me.

Like I said, I'm human, so I do make mistakes and that one tactical mistake did cost me the game. But I will never stop defending my play there for being what it was; a perfect recreation of my towngame at the time. I will also never stop to admit the fault of it, being that I didn't need my towngame that game; I needed my scumgame, fuck being scumread by the people who'd know it was such, so I suppose you can say.

I made a mistake that game which I know and acknowledge, but I did
the
absolute best
I possibly could have,
given
the mistake I made. There was no way to make a more perfect recreation of my towngame, because that was my towngame through-and-through. It's just that I didn't need my towngame, and thinking I did was a tactical error on my part.

Or I suppose you could put it even more simply.
I executed the plan I made
absolutely perfectly
, I just made a mistake and executed the
wrong
plan, because I am human and thus, not perfect in my judgments. Thought I needed something I didn't, and thinking I needed it made me play in a way that hurt my chances of winning.

Specifically, mind you.
I can even tell you the thing that'd have saved me that game.
"Fuck reading the whole game, I'll catch up from here".
If I had done that?
I could've averted my lynch--but I didn't, because at that time, I'd never done that as town; I'd done it exclusively as scum, and I was terrified that in doing so I'd be scumclaiming. (My meta has since shifted thanks to me now using my phone a lot, so that I now almost always am more up to date than I used to be, because being behind was debilitating me as both alignments, so I decided to discard the silly restriction.)
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Post Post #4046 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:02 pm

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Chito: Mastina you wanna claim flavor for RP?
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Post Post #4047 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:03 pm

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In post 4044, Almost50 wrote:As for why I'm upset, it's because this garbage had gone on for too long, and I explained it in other games 9that have ended now). I have lost 5 pf my last 6 games, and I was only scum in one of them. Why? because people are too lazy to think for themselves, so they either sheep scum or paranoid town who just think it safer to get rid of me lest I rolled scum. Even those who TR me insist on asking for details of my "gambit plans" beforehand, which renders my whole play useless. I either get lynched or fold my hand preemptively all the time. The only solution now is to turn to my troll account and stop efforting. I don't care whether I get lynched, vigged by town or make bad calls resulting in losing the game when I'm playing with AP, so that's what I intend to do.
I'll admit to being too lazy lately. I'm sorry that things have gone so poorly for you. If this is just AtE, boo, but if legit emotions are being expressed, take a step back man. Have fun again. I remember when I first ran into you, so passionate but also able to be silly and roll with the punches; try not to lose that.

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Post Post #4048 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:05 pm

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In post 4027, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Am I missing something here
Yes, you are.
In post 4027, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Why would a modkill on scum make you 'fucking ticked off' as town?
Well for a start, a modkill rather than a lynch prevented me from giving further interactions that would've proven I'm not scum with SuperfluousNinja, but more to the point, it wasn't JUST the modkill.

It was the modkill, in tandem with being pushed as scum
after
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Post Post #4049 (ISO) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:05 pm

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In post 4043, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 4042, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4040, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 4039, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4038, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

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Does my activated ability look like I was lyin'?
1) I should have said RPing, not lying, because that would be accurate when describing your connection with these characters.
2) I haven't actually seen this show!! So I have no idea. Sorry.

-Yukiteru
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