because he was posting early like a excited townie who doesn't know how to get the game moving right away so all attempts in doing so end up looking extremely awkward.
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In post 247, Extrapolated Eagle wrote: In post 244, Shoshin wrote: In post 179, Lycanfire wrote:Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.
I haven't said anything about EE's intent in changing votes. I'm just saying I don't feel like EE reacted to FA's manipulative posting from an uninformed perspective.
(I also think most of the "reasons" behind behaviors are unconscious so I don't really care to scumhunt exclusively on the basis of "intent").
As I have played with FA before, I feel relatively informed on my own personal tells on her, so I'm not coming at the situation from an uninformed perspective?
go test your tells in a lab and tell me when they have a 100% success rate in her CURRENT play.
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poggers, its a town post
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In post 256, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
2 kinda strong (for RVS) trs
a couple weak trs
and a couple tentative scum reads
I'd say I have reads on like seven players right now
Yeah dude ur trying too hard.
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no smiley face
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In post 266, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
I'll give you 3 of your choosing, but I'd rather not reveal everything at the moment cuz I'm still trying to recover from the the disassembly of my wagon. I really rather thought we might be going somewhere.
In post 268, Shoshin wrote:That's about the worst reason I've ever heard for withholding reads. If you're looking for reactions on a specific person, then sure, keep the read to yourself. Otherwise, please out them.
This buddy.
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In post 267, Xtoxm wrote:hey grapes i remember you being obvtown as town
you made 3 posts and dont look obvtown yet
step it up
okay can you tell me when they obvtowned yet so I don't have to read the slot?
Thank you very much
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In post 292, NerfedBuJ wrote: In post 194, Alisae wrote: In post 60, NerfedBuJ wrote: In post 57, Alisae wrote:Things are done for a reason thats how we get out of RVS. We only take about what happens on these pages on these pages. These pages are actually very insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things. You aren't going to be refer to be basing things on page 1 to get a read on someone on page 50 or higher or whatever. You're just not.
however, if you're really looking forward to the game and you rand villager, its likely that your behavoir makes sense, so it comes out as awkward and trying to force a start of the game when simply put one doesn't exist. Because you're trying to force the game to start quicker, it looks awkward, therefore this interaction happens.
So ur probably just town tbh but I'll re-evaluate tomorrow just to be sure
Do you not think that town and scum post differently in RVS?
And if they do, can't we use this to build cases?
I agree that it becomes less and less important as the game goes on, but a lot of times one or more scum can be caught in RVS alone.
no and if u use it to build cases and those cases aren’t on a single digit page your case is shit.
If your posting a case on a single digit page then thats a red flag in of itself
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That's a narrow-minded view imo.
That shit means NOTHING late game dude and its actually worthless garbage.
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town with 400 IQ
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In post 304, DoubtingThomas wrote:i am not getting town read~ i am getting "unfairly" scum read~ *self vote*
Jesus have mercy on me
holy shit you are obnoxious
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In post 309, DoubtingThomas wrote:
Quit mafia if you were asking this genuinely.
Self voting as town means you are playing against your win-condition of trying to find and lynch scum.
Self voting as scum means you are playing against your win-condition of trying to survive and mislynch townies.
Huh? You are self voting for "strategic AtE purposes"? Cut that shit out. That is utter bullshit and has 0 strategic purposes. All you are doing is, "I am so town/I can't be scum (as either alignment) because I am self voting" which goes against the integrity of the game and doesn't add any value to solving the game because you will not only self vote as one particular alignment and literally helps nobody in trying to solve your slot.
And dense.
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In post 312, Shoshin wrote:All of you haters need to break out your boxes. Self-voting doesn’t mean anything bad will happen.
VOTE: Doubting
See? No harm done.
To be clear, I voted myself to get a wagon going. It wasn't "AtE" or because I was "scumread." It was to consolidate votes.
Yeah this is town.
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In post 315, DoubtingThomas wrote:it would have looked townier if you said something like, "stfu DT I fucking hate you. I self voted myself because I don't want to play with you" but okay
good luck trying to lynch me Mrs. Self Voter
You honestly have no right to act like ur a big shot here.
This is MS and you're the new kid around in the block
So you look stupid when you talk like you own it.
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In post 319, Shoshin wrote:Policy lynching is beyond stupid. I'll actually replace out of this game if that's what this comes to.
I'm going to assume for the moment it's just scum DT trying to manipulate this situation to his ends.
ngl
idunno what u were expecting
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In post 325, DoubtingThomas wrote: In post 321, Shoshin wrote:Policy lynching is a shitty crutch for people who don't know how to distinguish town from scum. It also prevents creative plays & makes games completely unfun.
creative plays?
tell me what about
"This is boring"
"*Self vote*"
was fucking creative
what the fuck in the world did you get out of doing that? What did you accomplish? How did that make the game more fun?
In post 326, DoubtingThomas wrote:CREATIVE PLAYS INCOMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
If you flip scum (which is VERY possible), great
if you flip town, great, we have some obnoxious 5 year old out of the game.
sign me up
VOTE: DT
thats a policy lynch
its also a scum lynch
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In post 330, Extrapolated Eagle wrote: In post 321, Shoshin wrote:Policy lynching is a shitty crutch for people who don't know how to distinguish town from scum. It also prevents creative plays & makes games completely unfun.
I can assure you that voting yourself to get more votes on you is in no way creative. As someone who has been wagoned (and pushes people to wagon himself multiple times) I guarantee that all you did by voting yourself was give some people a reason to put their vote on you under the guise of PL-ing, and other people a reason to TR you (because why would scum vote themselves), both of which just means you generated easy content for scum that's not as discernible from the rest of the game.
Policy lynching isn't a "shitty crutch" it's a bar. Far too many people on this site play below baseline acceptable for town. Policy lynching encourages creativity in play because it gets rid of half-wits who think lurking, sheeping, and self-voting are new and creative ways to play mafia.
I was actually voting Clemency because I wanted to pl him for being actually worthless but DT is scum and worthless. I am a big fan of policy lynching.
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Good post.
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In post 345, DoubtingThomas wrote:Summary of shoshins play:
>Continues to ignore my attempt to engage her by just askinng a question
>I vote her
>Self votes after saying this game is boring
>Gets shit because self voting accomplishes nothing but level 0 scum or town reads
>Says I am scum for advocating a policy lynch on her
>Says policy lynch advocaters are people who cant discern between scums and towns and kills creativity of the game even tho sef voting, as eagles said, is a cancer vote that accomplishes nothing but wifom and has absolutely nothing creative about it
>After getting slam dunked by eagles says, “Why dont you find scums instead of talking sbout policy lynches”
LMFAO this is scum mvp level play if town
no its not.
Ur making this out to be the end of the world.
Shoshin isn't stupid, she isn't going to put herself in lynch range while self-voting regardless of alignment.
Yet your losing your fucking mind because OMG A SELFVOTE
what about that action was actually anti-town in the context? Not in general, in the context of what happened when the self-vote occured and what happened as a result of it.
I think its more pro-town then anything you wrote.
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I have tbh
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In post 378, DrDolittle wrote:I think shoshin is town. I think EE is town. I think DT is scum. His engagement in this line of fire is a bit over the top angry.
But my day 1 reads are typically awful so.
ok come play some more instead of giving out some really basic stuff, swim into the deeper waters and give us that good stuff that actually helps us figure out your alignment instead of this really basic "wow, these are the most obvious reads atm, lets out them even tho they're obvious to everyone"
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In post 389, grapes wrote:VOTE: shoshin
see things like this are far better to read into when you can compare how the "play" is used as both alignments..
In post 347, Shoshin wrote:Xtox is town. He easily could have stayed on my wagon if he were scum but he's thinking steps deeper. He caught what I was doing (building a wagon) & moved off as soon as he saw DT's scummy reaction. His earlier posts were already townish but this solidifies the read for me.
but for a reaction test you've never used first hand im just a little more pinged by the overconfidence here. Xtom voting you and then dt isn't what I'd call a deep thought process but more a thing that he did.
DT's likely scum. I don't see town DT responding this strongly to a self-vote when he knows that townies do it all the time. His inability to keep straight whether he's pushing me as a PL or pushing me as scummy scum feels like scum who wants me to get lynched for the self-vote but doesn't want to seem scummy for exclusively pushing a PL. He's also blatantly buddying up to EE in ways that feels like scum/town.
And could you unpack this a bit more?
yeah xtox just tell me if this is town or not plz I don't wanna read this
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In post 394, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
I'm me :V
This is my second forum mafia game, first one in mafiauniverse (never again)
lol
