Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen Angel's first posts weren't particularly manipulative which is why I changed my vote, if anyone's wondering.

Did anyone else have this reaction to FA's posts?

Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.

I haven't said anything about EE's intent in changing votes. I'm just saying I don't feel like EE reacted to FA's manipulative posting from an uninformed perspective.

(I also think most of the "reasons" behind behaviors are unconscious so I don't really care to scumhunt exclusively on the basis of "intent").

@FA these are the onyl posts in that ISO that have the word "manipulative"
I think your overeacting to something that was just phrased/interpretted (one of those) very fucking badly.
Like I think your angry over a miscommunication

They had a fucking wagon going on cause of those two posts before they self voted.

is 2 posts not enough? should we consider the 10 pages of crap they added to game with that self vote and say yeah the scummy part is too little in that iso so we can ignore it?

What the fuck is your point?

[Frozen Angel]

Why is shosin still alive?

4 more votes needed.

[Alisae]

DT should absolutely be a lynch that happens.
FA read might change, I'm starting to think this is a misunderstanding, but it really comes down to what happens as a result of me helping both parties just now.

The rest of the children need more data.

[Alisae]

Frozen Angel's first posts weren't particularly manipulative which is why I changed my vote, if anyone's wondering.

Did anyone else have this reaction to FA's posts?

Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.

I haven't said anything about EE's intent in changing votes. I'm just saying I don't feel like EE reacted to FA's manipulative posting from an uninformed perspective.

(I also think most of the "reasons" behind behaviors are unconscious so I don't really care to scumhunt exclusively on the basis of "intent").

@FA these are the onyl posts in that ISO that have the word "manipulative"
I think your overeacting to something that was just phrased/interpretted (one of those) very fucking badly.
Like I think your angry over a miscommunication

They had a fucking wagon going on cause of those two posts before they self voted.

is 2 posts not enough? should we consider the 10 pages of crap they added to game with that self vote and say yeah the scummy part is too little in that iso so we can ignore it?

What the fuck is your point?

@shoshin why you keep ignoring my question?

you mentioned "Frozen Angels manipulative posting" Several times

What manipulative posting? Quote and show what posts are you talking about NOW

You kept on quoting this over and over and what I am talking about is meant to help with this.

[Frozen Angel]

I actually ....

/I ask to replace out

I really can't handle being in same game with them.

Hopefully, we play in a future game ali that doesn't have people like this

@shoshin just a headsup that you're permenantly banned from playing any games I mod and you're blacklisted. never join the games I'm in and never replace in them. At least be decent enough to do that.

Good bye.

[Frozen Angel]

You kept on quoting this over and over and what I am talking about is meant to help with this.

I don't need your help

[Alisae]

Hopefully, we play in a future game ali that doesn't have people like this

Kay~
If you want my take, I think ur overeacting. You should probably just take a bit to cool off.
But I respect the decision if I was getting as heated as you currently are then I would probably do the same.

[Alisae]

You kept on quoting this over and over and what I am talking about is meant to help with this.

I don't need your help

Yeah I kinda realized that after I read that post you posted that explained everything.
I'll look it over when I can comprehend it.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm over reacting to what?

They are shit in doing anything

they self vote and make the game about it for pages

they refuse to answer questions cause its their town meta

What kind of freak i will be to tolerate that bullshit?

On another note you know my mentall illness and how ignoring me triggers it. This game at this state is just not healthy for me. They don't worth my anger.

[Frozen Angel]

and pvt this was my civil version.

[Alisae]

Yeah I get it sorry.

[Alisae]

If you DO want to play more mafia, join access point, I'm in that and so far the playerlist looks fine but up to ya.

[Shoshin]

These were shoshin posts about EE post about me. EE was talking about how I post emotionally and how I use gifs and that makes pushing against me harder - he even clearly mentioned he didn't mean I ever tried to manipulate. But shoshin was talking about some of my posts here in this game - which they called manipulative

EE said your posts "weren't particularly manipulative." I interpreted that to mean they were slightly manipulative. And I thought EE's reaction to your posts felt off so I questioned it.

Lycan fire attacked them for the way they were asking for similar reactions to my manipulative posting

Lycan's attacks were misplaced. They weren't actually addressing what I was talking about.

What i'm saying is that shoshin was ghost hunting there.

I don't know what "ghost hunting" is.

The wagon on shoshin formed before they self voted.

There were three votes on me when I self-voted, hardly much of a wagon. I certainly wouldn't bat an eye to that if I were scum.

They self voted to make a mess in game thread.

I self-voted to create a better scumhunting environment than the one we had. The result: exposing scum DT, among other things.

this is basically no evaluation. Vedith is not even defending them there. Its just desprate result making from a bullshit self vote that happened out of nowhere.

To clarify, I liked Vedith calling my vote on EE bad because from a certain angle I could see why town Vedith already read EE as obvious town.

Note: Vedith's comment implied that I was scummy. So after the self-vote, I would have expected scum Vedith to continue scumreading me. I think if scum suggested I was scum before the self-vote, it's very unlikely for them to start defending me after. Instead, Vedith shifted his read from scum to town. And that progression solidified my townread on his slot.

If you can't see how my post was talking about Vedith's progression, I don't know what to tell you.

And they dodge responding to me questioning their repeated use of "Manipulative posting" with

"I don't answer questions as town. Thats not scummy if you know my meta"

Like no way I will let this pass.

I don't answer silly questions as town. And I found your question silly so I didn't answer.

As I said, this isn't scummy for me. I have plenty of meta that proves this.

[Alisae]

shoshin anything you want me to touch on or look at?

[Shoshin]

What do you think of Buj voting me even though he knows townies self-vote?

[Frozen Angel]

but it really comes down to what happens as a result of me helping both parties just now.

This is probably scum Ali btw

had to say it before leaving the game entirely.

[Frozen Angel]

I self-voted to create a better scumhunting environment than the one we had. The result: exposing scum DT, among other things.

and make your better environment in hell where you can hang out with your meta

[Alisae]

but it really comes down to what happens as a result of me helping both parties just now.

This is probably scum Ali btw

had to say it before leaving the game entirely.

I do kinda wanna know what is wrong with my observation on DT because I don’t see town pushing a lynch this way, and I’m starting to see why I was so shit at wolf when reading those posts

[Alisae]

What do you think of Buj voting me even though he knows townies self-vote?

It’s not scummy just wrong.

[Shoshin]

Why are you townreading Xtox?

[Alisae]

I’m honestly more interested in why DT is town
(They mentioned they townread him)
Then why Bu voted you tbh.

And if anyone wants to chip in on why they TR DT, then I’ll hear it out.

Pedit: Gut mostly, also kinda feel like the amount of reads they started out and made their first post is akin to mine with this game. Like, it felt like they saw that there wasn’t really much that happened that was super alignment indicative when they made their very first post, and I kinda agree with that mindset.
I think there might of been another thing but this is the most of it.

[Karmeleon]

I'm just watching and wondering what's going on while hiding in the background.

[Reiuji Utsuho]

Mmm I see a nuclear meltdown happened while I was sleeping.

I wasn't surprised by EE's behavior, at least based on his initial RQS. But I didn't expect DT's response based on what I know of him, nor did I expect Buj to vote me after his recent experiences with townies self-voting. I'm also surprised that FA got as upset as she has. I figured most folks would respond like Vedith or DDL. I guess you never know with these things, which is sort of what makes them interesting.

If shoshin didn't expect all the flak he is getting right now, then I have no words.

[Reiuji Utsuho]

1. "Towns self-vote too" does not equate to "scum never self-votes."
2. "Towns self-vote too" does not mean it is a good thing to do.

This whole thing muddies thing a lot and I don't want to dig up games of someone who I never played with before, so I was hoping that the thing die down quickly, but I guess it's not happening any time soon.

[Reiuji Utsuho]

I'm just watching and wondering what's going on while hiding in the background.

So what's your guesses?