Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Vedith]

Why is shosin still alive?

4 more votes needed.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Shoshin isn't today's lynch.
I'd rather away from DT but I'll lynch DT over Shoshin.

[Vedith]

@shoshin just a headsup that you're permenantly banned from playing any games I mod and you're blacklisted. never join the games I'm in and never replace in them. At least be decent enough to do that.

Don't feel bad here Shoshin I'm also in the same boat

[Karmeleon]

I'm just watching and wondering what's going on while hiding in the background.

So what's your guesses?

The pushes on Shoshin at this point are shitty and we should go elsewhere.

[Karmeleon]

*shit

[Karmeleon]

@shoshin just a headsup that you're permenantly banned from playing any games I mod and you're blacklisted. never join the games I'm in and never replace in them. At least be decent enough to do that.

Don't feel bad here Shoshin I'm also in the same boat

If you never got blacklisted by someone, you're playing mafia wrong.

[Karmeleon]

Guess what? I'm gonna ignore that DT/Shoshin/FA shit and look for who was skating by.

[Karmeleon]

DT should absolutely be a lynch that happens.

???

[Karmeleon]

I like that Reiuji tried to shift the discussion away from PL stuff (non-ironically)

[DrDolittle]

Kinda weird so many people see xtoxm as strong town. Does that mean I have to re evaluate my reads?

I think Buj can also be scum tbh

[DrDolittle]

I'd rather away from DT but I'll lynch DT over Shoshin.

Well theres 15 other people you can park your vote on.

Actually 14 cause dont self vote I dont want another 10 pages of temper

[Vedith]

So I pick a vote out if vanity and just let Shoshin get lynched for bad reasoning?

[Karmeleon]

Kinda weird so many people see xtoxm as strong town.

I agree.

[NerfedBuJ]

I think DT is town because I liked his/her comment to Reiuji, his/her pushing of Eagle to clarify, and his/her pushing of Shoshin to respond.

I also think people are mistaken in evaluating the overreaction. I think it is much more likely to come from town.

[Vedith]

AtE is always NAI. Always.

[NerfedBuJ]

Also shoshin, 3 things I should clarify from my perspective

1. NAI does not equal 'both town and scum do it'. Both scum and town do it means there is sometimes town motivation and there is sometimes scum motivation. That you can analyze. NAI are things that are entirely independent from alignment, such as being busy in real life, not reading a role PM, being bad at math etc.

2. Some actions are inherently anti-town. I don't care that some player in some niche scenario was once able to get something good out of it. The reality is an anti-town action is just bad for town 99% of the time, and in that 1% rare chance, I guarantee that there are alternative ways to achieve the same thing.

3. If someone does something scummy and ends up flipping town it is not my responsibility to townread such behavior in the future. It is their responsibility to not repeat it.

Pedit - fine by me.. I'll stick to only the first 3 reasons for townreading DT just as long as everyone else also doesn't scumread the AtE

[NerfedBuJ]

AtE is always NAI. Always.

But for the record.. no it is not.

'AtE is used by both town and scum depending on the situation' is correct.

'AtE is NAI' is incorrect.

We can argue that in both cases AtE tries to get people to do what the emotional person wants, but town and scum want different things so you know, you can actually read into the AtE.

[Vedith]

'AtE is NAI' is incorrect.

AtE is

always

NAI
Everyone gets frustrated as any align.
If you build a case around or including someone using AtE I don't ever take it seriously.

[DrDolittle]

So I pick a vote out if vanity and just let Shoshin get lynched for bad reasoning?

i think it's too early to say the lynch is between shoshin and dt?

[Vedith]

Not at all. Assuming that being a solo voter while the last 10 pages are all about 2 lynches is going to be any use is going to do nothing.
You know as much as a I do that a lynch can come out of no where.

Given that DT and Shoshin are taking the stage light, what other wagons are you seeing productively pushed?

[DrDolittle]

Bujabber and Xtoxm, by revealed preference, I guess

"You know as much as a I do that a lynch can come out of no where. "

Yeah and that's I think exactly the reason why you shouldnt vote people you don't want to lynch, I think!

[Vedith]

I'm picking the lesser.
I'd re vote Xtoxm here as probably Scum.

Shall we talk about?

[DrDolittle]

talk about what?

[Vedith]

Why would you lynch Xtoxm?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

'AtE is NAI' is incorrect.

AtE is

always

NAI
Everyone gets frustrated as any align.
If you build a case around or including someone using AtE I don't ever take it seriously.

No. This isn't true and if you don't believe me I think I can probably find examples. Usually AtE is NAI but there are plenty of times where you can look at it at think "wow, that emotion doesn't make sense as town, that's definitely a fake anger to try and make the other person back off "

[grapes]

but for a reaction test you've never used first hand im just a little more pinged by the overconfidence here. Xtom voting you and then dt isn't what I'd call a deep thought process but more a thing that he did.

I think my confidence gets interpreted as overconfidence sometimes because people expect women to be less confident. I hope that isn't you. Whatever the case, I have experience sorting reactions to self-votes so this isn't something new. I just can't remember if I've done them myself.

As for Xtox, asking himself whether DT's reaction was scummier than my self-vote requires more thought than ignoring reactions to the self-vote. The fluidity in his change was especially towny. Are you scumreading Xtox?

Guess what I'm saying is; what's so megatown about a thought process you can gather in full from about 5 words no questions asked?
fair enough; I catch myself paying attention to hesitation too.


And yea as far a xtox goes I'm more paranoid for sure; for starters I can't tell if him expecting me to be obv-town in three posts when I clearly hadn't even read the game yet is him as town excited to sort me or scum trying to "box out" a threat real quick. And while it's early for this my crazy brain is telling me ya'll aren't scum/scum though I'm still mostly feeling you out anyways so blah