Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Nimueh]

maybe the nks turn back on when we lynch scum, idk

i have to at some point go back and look at the circumstances of the votes on the brigitte wagon but off the cuff if there's scum on there i'd guess it to be between: {reck/tris/succint}

kinda want to do this for now until i sort out how i feel about the brigitte/tris wagons

VOTE: flubber
i have like no read on him and can't really remember much of anything he's said this game

Skitters post to start the day feels a bit out of place too for some reason

Mmmmmmm I kind of thought that too, mostly re: "wowie where's the NK?", but I dont know that scum says this because I'd assume they'd be particularly aware that theres no NK coming up if night phases arent happening yet.

And I dont like that she votes flubber after positing scum in reck/tris/succinct

Do you see something else here or have I covered your thoughts more or less?

the entire post just feels... weird

it's setup spec

followed by saying that there may be scum in half the lynch wagon

then instead of sorting them, uses her vote to try to sort somebody else...?

like those are thoughts that make sense but the way they're ordered and written feels a lot more like she didn't have a whole lot to say but felt compelled to put more down on the page

it doesn't fit the context of what her thought processes have looked like to me

the lack of night reminded me that at some point that it had occurred to me that maybe the nks will turn on after scum flips but i never wrote that anywhere so i just put it there. also i'm low-key wondering if the game has more than the usual number of scum

(ie the ambiguous wincon and lack of nk's are reminding me quite a bit of jingle's game from a couple months back)

to figure out exactly where scum is on the wagon, i need to go back and look at how/when the wagon formed, but i haven't had a chance to do that yet, and don't think i will for another couple of days. off the top of my head / from what i remember without going back to check, those three votes were worse than the other three votes, and those are the ones i'm going to pay especial attention to whenever i do get the chance to check how that wagon formed.

and my vote was dangling for far too much of day1 so until i figure out if i want to vote on the wagon i wanted to put it *somewhere* and i keep forgetting flubber exists so i decided to start there today

basically what i'm saying is that i need to relook at the brigitte wagon before i firm up my opinion on the votes on that wagon, but since that isn't going to happen for a couple of days, i want to do something with my vote so i decided in the meanwhile to start tackling another part of the game that i also need to work on.

i have no idea what 'it doesn't fit the context of what her thought processes have looked like to me' means so i can't address that , really

So why vote Flubber then as opposed to just waiting with your vote?

[Nimueh]

Also makes no sense to throw down a vote you're admitting is useless

The only good reason to ever vote a null read, is if either your tr everyone else or you want to avoid a no lynch.

[Nimueh]

This makes chara and succinct the main points of interest on the brigette wagon

Why? Because they were on the end of that wagon?

I wish Brigitte had hardclaimed BEFORE she self-hammered because reasonable chance whomever hammered after that, would be scum.

I wasn’t online for most of yesterday, I thought we would have one more day. I’m still not tr Skitter but Brigitte flip makes me feel worse now about NMSA. Considering his hard scumread on me and Brigitte and knowing it was Brigitte on the chopping block and not me, why did he only consider voting her at L-1?

I can’t help wondering if I had been the leading wagon instead of Brigitte, would his vote also have been on Brigitte then?

Nah, it would've been on you cause I thought (and still think) you're scum.

I obviously wouldn’t expect you to admit to it in any case. i’m just trying to ascertain if you’re scum trying to push a mislynch on me, or just bad town and this post, really didn’t do anything to change my read on you, one way or another.

[Nimueh]

the turn around on nmsa was incredibly townie and i don't think it comes from scum

his very very early game and how he pushed nmsa was also pretty townie and nuanced and i don't think scum!him pushes a mislynch that way (or lolbusses a partner that way) or says things like 'if he flips town i know i'm the lynch tomorrow' (which he said repeatedly) - if scum!him is aware enough of the gamestate that he knows that a mislynch would result in his own lynch i odn't think he's confident enough to push it as aggressively as he did, and the whole push started too early and was too hard to be a bus (and the turn-around on nmsa didn't happen at the time i feel like it would have if it had been a bus)

mindmelding at various points of the game (esp. wrt the ank/brigitte thing)

there was probably more but if there is it happened long enough ago that i'm blanking

I wouldn't say it was incredibly townie, just a bit townie. It feels like you're trying to take advantage of game length and the replace-out to defend yourself by tring a general(?) townread.

I’m not liking this post. And you’re accusing me of omgussing - eventhough I specifically made a point of stressing it was the whole linking thing, was why I was suspicious of you?

Like wasn’t Skitter one of your strongest trs before she called you “nullscum”?

[Nimueh]

Not much time to post, but

skitter is a strong townread

, and it should be easier for everyone else to see now why Nim and Brig are scum.

So what happened today change that?

[Nimueh]

creature is still sketchy imo
i'm pretty sure this is flipping town tbh

chara's town
elbirn i think is probably town
urap2 was town so xtoxm is town but he himself is kinda null
enter was townie iirc but i don't super much on succint
i lost my townread on reck at some point
ank townread i think is still there

i don't have a read on flubber really
tris i think is quite a lot scummier in the event of a brigitte townflip

nimueh idk
and i'm blanking on someone but i don't remember who it is offhand

Yes hello you're blanking on me.

right, sorry
i don't have a read on you either, probably tending to nullscum

your wagon from like a bajillion years ago prob had scum on it; i'm gong to repeat that until i have enough info to follow that thread

[Xtoxm]

i have no idea why everyone is tr that slot
and brig could have hammered it on like p33
what a missed opportunity

[Nimueh]

the turn around on nmsa was incredibly townie and i don't think it comes from scum

his very very early game and how he pushed nmsa was also pretty townie and nuanced and i don't think scum!him pushes a mislynch that way (or lolbusses a partner that way) or says things like 'if he flips town i know i'm the lynch tomorrow' (which he said repeatedly) - if scum!him is aware enough of the gamestate that he knows that a mislynch would result in his own lynch i odn't think he's confident enough to push it as aggressively as he did, and the whole push started too early and was too hard to be a bus (and the turn-around on nmsa didn't happen at the time i feel like it would have if it had been a bus)

mindmelding at various points of the game (esp. wrt the ank/brigitte thing)

there was probably more but if there is it happened long enough ago that i'm blanking

I wouldn't say it was incredibly townie, just a bit townie.

It feels like you're trying to take advantage of game length and the replace-out to defend yourself by tring a general(?) townread.

I’m not liking this post. And you’re accusing me of omgussing - eventhough I specifically made a point of stressing it was the whole linking thing, was why I was suspicious of you?

Like wasn’t Skitter one of your strongest trs before she called you “nullscum”?

@Ankimius, do you still think this is newbtown?

[Nimueh]

i have no idea why everyone is tr that slot
and brig could have hammered it on like p33
what a missed opportunity

I could have too, which makes his lock sr on me, all the more bizarre but that Skitter shade not only seems to have come out of the blue but there is nothing scummy about that post that NMSA jumped on for pretty much no reason.

[Nimueh]

VOTE: NMSA

[Creature]

I need to re-gather my townreads. I feel lost rn.

[tris]

Ugh, I'm sorry. I haven't been feeling great lately, and I've been avoiding this. I will make sure that I attend to this tomorrow morning. I have to sleep now.

[Chara]

Nim is a townlean now.

still working too much. back to normal on Monday.

[Elbirn]

I dont want to get prodded

If anyone wants to talk I'm here

[Ankamius]

Also makes no sense to throw down a vote you're admitting is useless

The only good reason to ever vote a null read, is if either your tr everyone else or you want to avoid a no lynch.

wrong

[Ankamius]

the turn around on nmsa was incredibly townie and i don't think it comes from scum

his very very early game and how he pushed nmsa was also pretty townie and nuanced and i don't think scum!him pushes a mislynch that way (or lolbusses a partner that way) or says things like 'if he flips town i know i'm the lynch tomorrow' (which he said repeatedly) - if scum!him is aware enough of the gamestate that he knows that a mislynch would result in his own lynch i odn't think he's confident enough to push it as aggressively as he did, and the whole push started too early and was too hard to be a bus (and the turn-around on nmsa didn't happen at the time i feel like it would have if it had been a bus)

mindmelding at various points of the game (esp. wrt the ank/brigitte thing)

there was probably more but if there is it happened long enough ago that i'm blanking

I wouldn't say it was incredibly townie, just a bit townie.

It feels like you're trying to take advantage of game length and the replace-out to defend yourself by tring a general(?) townread.

:shifty:

I’m not liking this post. And you’re accusing me of omgussing - eventhough I specifically made a point of stressing it was the whole linking thing, was why I was suspicious of you? :lol:

Like wasn’t Skitter one of your strongest trs before she called you “nullscum”?

@Ankimius, do you still think this is newbtown?

No I'm resetting on nmsa

[xRECKONERx]

im hungover as fuck ill read when im not spinning

[northsidegal]

Prodding Succinct.

Working on EoD votecount.

[Succinct]

I wasn't aware day had started.

Reading now.

[Succinct]

and scum should be there:
Xtoxm u r a person 2
Chara
xRECKONERx
NotMySpamAccount
Flubbernugget
tris

Switch tris<->Elbirn and we're on same page.

Btw why are we doing a tris wagon

Because people wrongly think the Brigitte wagon was countering a wagon on 'scum'-tris.

This games been really quiet, which is weird after getting a flip and a new day start..

I personally didn't know day started; was expecting mod to message me.

Succinct, why did you scum read Brigitte?

then it doesn't change prior scumminess.

Expand.

Opportunistic hop-on to your counterwagon, response about Chara's stance was suspect, posts don't seem to be advancing gamestate, description of your play from others.

like i was townreading enter but i don't really classify succint as being an active poster

Apologies. I do what I can, but succinctness does not foster activity.

VOTE: Flubbernugget
Still a scumread.
Vaguely lean Xtoxm/Chara town, but those're gut; I have no evidence backing reads up.
Think remaining two're in xRECKONERx/NotMySpamAccount/Elbirn.

[Ankamius]

Because people wrongly think the Brigitte wagon was countering a wagon on 'scum'-tris.

huh?

it felt like the counterwagon was tris

[Succinct]

Because people

wrongly

think the Brigitte wagon was countering a wagon on 'scum'-tris.

huh? it felt like the counterwagon was tris

Perhaps emphasis'll help meaning.
tris

was

the counterwagon; people wrongly think Brigitte was.

[Nimueh]

Also makes no sense to throw down a vote you're admitting is useless

The only good reason to ever vote a null read, is if either your tr everyone else or you want to avoid a no lynch.

wrong

Are you going to elaborate on that?

[skitter30]

Urap2 being obvtown and chara sitting around null-scum make no sense in the same game

if this is directed at me i don't know why those don't make sense together
(and chara has gone up quite a bit in myreads, but that only happened recently)

They don't make sense together because both slots had the same habit of making a lot of interaction posts that look townie in a bubble but not from them were not able to generate good reads.

i read this a few times and i'm having trouble parsing what you're saying tbh. i *think* you're saying that you think they both made interaction posts that look townie but had awful reads so their interaction posts ought not to form the basis of the reads on them. is that right? i'm also not sure what you mean by interaction posts in this context actually

why do you think neither of them formed good reads?

urap's reads might not have been great (idk) but his thought process behidn them was incredibly townie
chara's readslists also weren't awesome but there were large swaths of the game where i was having trouble telling vibing with their thought process (or, at least, had trouble telling if they were having a genuine thought process), which made it hard for me to form a confident read on them

[skitter30]

I wouldn't say it was incredibly townie, just a bit townie. It feels like you're trying to take advantage of game length and the replace-out to defend yourself by tring a general(?) townread.

it was incredibly townie, and it's a read i've had since like page30, or whenever it happened, so saying i'm giving a popular read just now to defend myself in the present is kinda silly, esepcially as i'm saying it when others are questioning their reads on the slot - if i'm trying to conform my read to others, as you're suggesting, now is not the right time to reaffirm my townread on him