Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.11

NerfedBuJ(4)

~ Vedith(75), DrDolittle(26), grapes(16), Shoshin(84)

Shoshin(2)

~ Lycanfire(10), NerfedBuJ(13)

PvtUrist(2)

~ Jingle(92), Extrapolated Eagle(104)

DoubtingThomas(2)

~ Xtoxm(17), Alisae(95)

Lycanfire(1)

~ mcqueen(1)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ PvtUrist(14)

Alisae(1)

~ DoubtingThomas(106)


Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald(15), Reiuji Utsuho(37), Clemency(9), Karmeleon(19)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 22:19:59)

[Xtoxm]

i looked at buj's iso and i dont see it
but uh
if you need help lmk

[NerfedBuJ]

i looked at buj's iso and i dont see it
but uh
if you need help lmk

They think because I saw some townies self-vote that I should townread such behavior.

Which doesn't make sense because a) my personality and mafia beliefs, b) I didn't even scumread shoshin for the self vote, c) the same people voting me are calling self-votes NAI but they want me to townread it.

Can't have it both ways hypocrites.


And @Alisae the overreaction is dumb as scum, but it's also not going to help lynch shoshin. I think scum do dumb things if they think it will achieve something.

DT had a scumcase on shoshin, and then the self-vote happens and DT raged on that. If you are scum you don't ruin your more logical fake scumcase in exchange for a more emotional case while also grabbing everyone's attention to yourself.

Basically I think Eagle and DT shot their shoshin push in the foot by uttering the taboo word 'policy lynch', which we all know the site meta is against. Which is a shame because shoshin is scummy with or without the self vote, and because they're absolutely right about anti-town behavior.

[NerfedBuJ]

And saying that, vedith absolutely saved the other fire game I linked by correctly townreading me in a situation where I had bad reads. That required a deep analysis of my character, the game-state, and the intent behind my posts.

To come here and see him vote me because I don't let a self-vote change my read on someone I was voting shows a complete lack of the awareness the vedith I described above had.

[Vedith]

Which doesn't make sense because a) my personality and mafia beliefs, b) I didn't even scumread shoshin for the self vote, c) the same people voting me are calling self-votes NAI but they want me to townread it.

This is false.

It's a different situation all together, and as said, both players to do it were town so BuJ should surely have the mentality that it's a townier thing to do.

I was saying how your post didn't match to the mentality your argument would have had.

[Vedith]

And saying that, vedith absolutely saved the other fire game I linked by correctly townreading me in a situation where I had bad reads. That required a deep analysis of my character, the game-state, and the intent behind my posts.

To come here and see him vote me because I don't let a self-vote change my read on someone I was voting shows a complete lack of the awareness the vedith I described above had.

Nice mis rep here.
I think I'm getting good at you reading you.

[Vedith]

on someone I was voting

Can you explain what the Scum read was when you voted? Reasons and such.
And can you explain the Scum read now and if it's adapted?

And lastly who else catches you're eye as Scum? You think I'm just mis reading you (correct me if I read wrong) so why would you consider me town here over Scum?

Im going to bed but we can pick up again tomorrow.

[NerfedBuJ]

. If someone does something scummy and ends up flipping town it is not my responsibility to townread such behavior in the future. It is their responsibility to not repeat it.

[Vedith]

I don't get the relevance?

[NerfedBuJ]

on someone I was voting

Can you explain what the Scum read was when you voted? Reasons and such.
And can you explain the Scum read now and if it's adapted?

And lastly who else catches you're eye as Scum? You think I'm just mis reading you (correct me if I read wrong) so why would you consider me town here over Scum?

Im going to bed but we can pick up again tomorrow.

Who said I'm townreading you?
That post was me saying this isn't town!vedith.

And scumcase on shoshin was because she ignored DT's attempts at engaging her directly. Like she got something to hide.

It has adapted to she is claiming self-votes are NAI but townreading people who townread her selfvote and scumreading people who scumread her selfvote. It tells me that the real motivation behind the self-vote was to get townread, not to get a wagon going and get people talking (though I don't agree that a townie should selfvote for this reason)

[NerfedBuJ]

I don't get the relevance?

You seem to think I should be inclined to townread self-votes because of recent events. Why would that ever be the case?

[Vedith]

And scumcase on shoshin was because she ignored DT's attempts at engaging her directly. Like she got something to hide.

But this was never made clear and was never addressed as the issue when voting her.
On the game you linked you described why someone was Scum in your posts.
Here you just jumped on.

Also, that's why I wanted clarification if you town read me as it looked to me as you said you were.

Now with your updated reasoning. Do you feel that this is an echo or...?

[Vedith]

You seem to think I should be inclined to townread self-votes because of recent events. Why would that ever be the case?

No, not at all. Anyone who plays with me knows that I believe AtE is NAI and self voting is a form of AtE.

You used the argument from that game concerning self voting and tried to compare a day 3 self vote to a day 1 self vote that in theory doesn't directly cause the lynch.
You said about the 2 players self voting were town, so in that mentality alone you should be thinking that it's a townier thing to do, by the information you arguing with and the results of your argument.

[Vedith]

But really I'm going to bed now it's 3 30am

[Vedith]

Sleep well all of you wonderful people \o/
You too Grapes.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I'm not pushing Shoshin.

Pretty sure I said that.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I was never pushing Shoshin.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You seem to think I should be inclined to townread self-votes because of recent events. Why would that ever be the case?

No, not at all. Anyone who plays with me knows that I believe AtE is NAI and self voting is a form of AtE.

You used the argument from that game concerning self voting and tried to compare a day 3 self vote to a day 1 self vote that in theory doesn't directly cause the lynch.
You said about the 2 players self voting were town, so in that mentality alone you should be thinking that it's a townier thing to do, by the information you arguing with and the results of your argument.

Shoshin's self-vote was in no way a form of AtE and you should know better.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Vedith believes Assertion = Evidence or he's scum. I'm leaning towards the latter because there's no way anyone actually believes the former.

[Shoshin]

They think because I saw some townies self-vote that I should townread such behavior.

That isn't what anyone said. The point is that you shouldn't scumread anyone for behavior that you know comes from townies. How many times do I need to say this for it to eventually get through your head?

[Shoshin]

It has adapted to she is claiming self-votes are NAI but townreading people who townread her selfvote and scumreading people who scumread her selfvote. It tells me that the real motivation behind the self-vote was to get townread, not to get a wagon going and get people talking.

I didn't townread/scumread anyone based solely on whether they townread/scumread the self-vote.

[Shoshin]

DT, what's your read on Buj?

[Shoshin]

Why are you scumreading EE, Jingle?

[NerfedBuJ]

You seem to think I should be inclined to townread self-votes because of recent events. Why would that ever be the case?

No, not at all. Anyone who plays with me knows that I believe AtE is NAI and self voting is a form of AtE.

You used the argument from that game concerning self voting and tried to compare a day 3 self vote to a day 1 self vote that in theory doesn't directly cause the lynch.
You said about the 2 players self voting were town, so in that mentality alone you should be thinking that it's a townier thing to do, by the information you arguing with and the results of your argument.

I still don't know what you want me from me.
I think what they did in that game helped scum.
I don't know why it should make me change my views.

[NerfedBuJ]

They think because I saw some townies self-vote that I should townread such behavior.

That isn't what anyone said. The point is that you shouldn't scumread anyone for behavior that you know comes from townies. How many times do I need to say this for it to eventually get through your head?

Well then they aren't reading because that wasn't what I scumread you for.

I only put in my two cents about self-votes because I just saw it happen in that game and it led to shitty results.