Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Shoshin]

Pvt had a neutral stance which often comes from town cuz town doesnt want to make a ruckus

Eagle, why aren't you suspicious of DT for this reasoning?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Eagle

[NerfedBuJ]

Okay shoshin I will be ignoring some of the things you say from now on but it is not personal and it has nothing to do with my alignment or yours. I just made a promise to myself.

And EE is town because he has been a core reason for this game progressing as far as it did and for everyone to have enough content to form reads.

He's not the only one by any means but if there was a quantitative way of measuring this he'd come out on top this game. That's why I'm not yet concerned about anything he did that could be scummy.

And if you think you were ever in danger of being lynched I think you're understimating the effect of site meta on how games go. I just don't know where to move my vote to yet and I'm not convinced you're town yet.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Pvt had a neutral stance which often comes from town cuz town doesnt want to make a ruckus

Eagle, why aren't you suspicious of DT for this reasoning?

This is a worse question than the one I quoted.

How many people have I disagreed with or thought their reasoning was dumb this game? How many of them have I called scum?

[NerfedBuJ]

Basically I think even though they had good intentions, EE and DT used the word PL and destroyed your wagon before it had a chance to start. But discussion wise thise whole game was and is moving in a positive direction

Pedit - now I need to clarify that I'm still talking to shoshin

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I actually saw that question and thought "there's no way she actually wants me to answer that" so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. You want me to be suspicious of DoubtingThomas because he has reasoning I kinda disagree with, even after I went head to head with you and described in DETAIL how I despise things about the way you're thinking and playing right now.

You're actually dumb if you think disagreeing with someone is cause to scumread them, and it's wildly inconsistent of you, because you didn't call me scum even though I disagreed with you.

Basically I think even though they had good intentions, EE and DT used the word PL and destroyed your wagon before it had a chance to start. But discussion wise thise whole game was and is moving in a positive direction

Pedit - now I need to clarify that I'm still talking to shoshin

I didn't want a wagon on Shoshin. I wasn't trying to lynch her, and I wasn't sold on her as scum. I wanted to go through how bad of a play it is to self-vote and make it enough hell that we don't have to deal with it again.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Shoshin it's really getting on my nerves that it seems you're making reads based on how you feel and then trying to make the facts fit your feelings.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

VOTE: Vedith

I really recommend you push me if you're going to vote me, though, Shoshin, because right now there's no support for a wagon on me.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

And if you think you were ever in danger of being lynched I think you're understimating the effect of site meta on how games go.

This is what baffles me. Anyone talking about wagons this early in the day leading to a lynch is crazy at best. Too many people making assumptions about how things MIGHT go and working with whatever scenario they want to instead of what's actually happening.

[NerfedBuJ]

I didn't want a wagon on Shoshin. I wasn't trying to lynch her, and I wasn't sold on her as scum. I wanted to go through how bad of a play it is to self-vote and make it enough hell that we don't have to deal with it again

Then I misinterpretted your actions.

But words don't work to convince people to stop doing anti-town things. I have tried and many have tried before me.

If you think something is anti-town and you really want to stop it you have to go all in and lynch the behavior until it becomes extinct.

It's just that sort of thing will cost games in the short term and people aren't willing to sacrifice the short-term for the long-term.

The only other way I can think of is to have admins and mods enforce it.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.14

NerfedBuJ(3)

~ Vedith(84), DrDolittle(37), grapes(16)

Shoshin(2)

~ Lycanfire(10), NerfedBuJ(32)

Extrapolated Eagle(2)

~ Alisae(103), Shoshin(107)

Vedith(1)

~ Extrapolated Eagle(171)

Prince of Renais(1)

~ Jingle(125)

Lycanfire(1)

~ mcqueen(4)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Prince of Renais(14)

DoubtingThomas(1)

~ Xtoxm(18)

Alisae(1)

~ DoubtingThomas(118)


Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald(18), Reiuji Utsuho(47), Clemency(10), Karmeleon(26)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 22:19:59)

Prince of Renais replaces PvtUrist.

[DrDolittle]

I noted your case on Vedith included a post-by-post why its scum. One of the post as Vedith called out was completely irrelevant and a joke between him and me, and was posted less than 24hr in a game. This feels more like scum tunnel, where scum bite down into a mislynch and then go back to look for supporting evidence no matter how relevant, rather than looking for scummy clues to identify scum.

EE, what's your thoughts on this? Figured it deserves at least a one line comment

[Extrapolated Eagle]

That wasn't a "look at these specific posts he's scum," because that's not what my read on him is. It's an overall failure to maintain a town aligned mindset along with the anti-town stances he took. I gave those specific posts to show jingle that across Vediths four different types of posts there hasn't been anything he did that pushes a town agenda

[Alisae]

Is this entire game just shitposting

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Alisae]

Is ThIs EnTiRe GaMe JuSt ShItPoStInG

Actually die, that is never a villager post the world of like, actually ever.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Also I'm the only one voting Vedith. I'm the only person who's shown willingness to vote Vedith. When I bring it up, people laugh me off. Accusing me of pushing a mislynch by myself when there are so many other viable wagons implies you think that everyone else is scum and I'm trying to detract from their wagon, which is frankly ridiculous. In what scenario is it a scum agenda to examine players that look like most others have been just giving them an easy read and moving on with a bit more of a close inspection? Doesn't it seem more scummy to want to look at the common wagons and share thoughts on those? One of the largest problems for town is getting into the next day and finding there are players that haven't shared enough of the critical eye, IMO, players that have been skating by under the radar. Vedith and Pvt both fall into this category, but Pvt is less of a concern as he's getting replaced and was also lurking.

[Alisae]

Please shut the fuck up

[Alisae]

No one wants to hear about your 40 page deathtunnel on vedith because you get to triggered at someone’s answers at RQS

[Extrapolated Eagle]

If you think my case on Vedith is solely because of RQS or even largely based on RQS, you're mistaken. If you think RQS is useless and a joke to use when you casing people, you're also mistaken. I'm doing the same thing you are right now, the difference is I'm putting thought into it.

[Alisae]

@Jingle

come vote with me

Pedit: I Don’t actually care I just want you to shut up

[mcqueen]

It will be too difficult for anyone to convince me Reiuji is mafia. Their active, agenda-less approach to attempt to solve my slot by considering both scum and town and finally to put me at one of their top townreads by using Alisae's (biggest pusher of my slot) own reasons to scum read me in order to town read me in a reasonable manner makes me think nothing but town town town

pretty clear but if dt/rei ever flips scum this post becomes massive buddying

[mcqueen]

Rei yell at me about why I'm wrong on Vedith

Care to retrace your steps and walk me through why you think Vedith is scum?

[mcqueen]

@Rei do you have a link to your previous completed game you mentioned? Would like to read it

[mcqueen]

And

@mod: v/la until thursday please

[Xtoxm]

Is ThIs EnTiRe GaMe JuSt ShItPoStInG

Actually die, that is never a villager post the world of like, actually ever.

agree

VOTE: gamma