Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Jingle]

I think Shoshin is the kind of player who is far easier to read if you ignore her and am frustrated that she's the center of attention.

So you're

1) not committing to a read
and
2) suggesting that everyone doesn't go after her

seem about right?

also, you weren't responding to anything that happened in the last 10 pages but this is what you immediately pop in for?

Yeah that sums it up

Do you think it is likely Shoshin becomes easier to read when pressured?

[Jingle]

Jingle doesn't scumread people for not committing to a read, we went over this.

Not accurate. It's not the read or the lack of read that is noteworthy. It is the comparison of whether the read matches what should be there. If someone has a read that is unreasonable to have that's a thing to check. If someone doesn't have a read when they very much should, that's a thing to check. If someone doesn't have a read on someone who's been NAI that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Let's ignore EE for now. Knowing he's Enter makes me feel a lot better about him flipping town. He's just bad at the game.

1. Uncalled for.
2. Only partially true, my play when I came back from an almost three year hiatus as Enter was rusty, and I've never played a PR before so I made some dumb mistakes, but
3. I'm not overall bad at the game, and that was a pretty bad statement to make if you've only played one game with me and you haven't seen a repeated instance of anti-town play (which you wouldn't have, because I haven't done that as Enter)
4. If you're a loopdan alt, let me know in a PM and I'll replace out immediately. Otherwise I'll give you time to get it through your head that disagreeing with you is not being bad at mafia and maybe fix some of your double standards and other stuff you've got going for you

Lots of under-handed fuckery going on in this game. Uncalled for shit like threatening to out people's alts and making passive-aggressive comments with no purpose. Double-standards, thickheaded ignorance, and self-righteousness abound.

I'm weighing my options right now

we're not lynching gamma or clem

Alright, who are you thinking about other than Jingle/Shosh? I agree the interaction there is awkward, but my read on shoshin is a lot of "wow you're a bad person doing a lot of anti-town things"

And for some reason I keep thinking that she's got it stuck in her head that doing anti-town things is townie, and for that reason I excuse it. Can you counter?

[Jingle]

we're not lynching gamma or clem

Why?

[Prince of Renais]

first off, FA isn't some unpredictable rage monster. In a world where FA is town there's no reason for her to be pissed off as she was.
She gets ultra pissed off as scum when she feels like her teammates are making shitty associatives with her. Shoshin was attacking all the townreads on her in a really SvS way.
Go read Antihero's game from a few years back where she replaced out in similar fashion and was super pissed off at Gamma Emerald.

Both Jingle and Shoshin have also been calling each other town, completely unexplained from Shoshin's perspective, Jingle we just saw
Also Shoshin is good enough to not be this dead wrong on Jingle when he hasn't even played well as scum
I can buy people who generally are not super good players like EE making this mistake, but not Shoshin. she's scum

Alright, who are you thinking about other than Jingle/Shosh? I agree the interaction there is awkward, but my read on shoshin is a lot of "wow you're a bad person doing a lot of anti-town things"

And for some reason I keep thinking that she's got it stuck in her head that doing anti-town things is townie, and for that reason I excuse it. Can you counter?

Shoshin is a really good player as town. she's just not town here.

[Prince of Renais]

we're not lynching gamma or clem

Why?

because we're killing you then your buddy then we'll see what town does after you guys kill me n2.
I've already been outed in scumchat, correct?

[Jingle]

Let's ignore EE for now. Knowing he's Enter makes me feel a lot better about him flipping town. He's just bad at the game.

1. Uncalled for.
2. Only partially true, my play when I came back from an almost three year hiatus as Enter was rusty, and I've never played a PR before so I made some dumb mistakes, but
3. I'm not overall bad at the game, and that was a pretty bad statement to make if you've only played one game with me and you haven't seen a repeated instance of anti-town play (which you wouldn't have, because I haven't done that as Enter)
4. If you're a loopdan alt, let me know in a PM and I'll replace out immediately. Otherwise I'll give you time to get it through your head that disagreeing with you is not being bad at mafia and maybe fix some of your double standards and other stuff you've got going for you

Lots of under-handed fuckery going on in this game. Uncalled for shit like threatening to out people's alts and making passive-aggressive comments with no purpose. Double-standards, thickheaded ignorance, and self-righteousness abound.

I'm weighing my options right now

we're not lynching gamma or clem

Alright, who are you thinking about other than Jingle/Shosh? I agree the interaction there is awkward, but my read on shoshin is a lot of "wow you're a bad person doing a lot of anti-town things"

And for some reason I keep thinking that she's got it stuck in her head that doing anti-town things is townie, and for that reason I excuse it. Can you counter?

80% sure Shoshin is the main and fairly newbish.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Jingle doesn't scumread people for not committing to a read, we went over this.

Not accurate. It's not the read or the lack of read that is noteworthy. It is the comparison of whether the read matches what should be there. If someone has a read that is unreasonable to have that's a thing to check. If someone doesn't have a read when they very much should, that's a thing to check. If someone doesn't have a read on someone who's been NAI that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

What about someone who doesn't have a read but is taking a side in an argument on the person?

[Prince of Renais]

Also this is using information against Jingle that he has no way of knowing that I would know but just describing Shoshin as 'fairly newbish' is a hard scumclaim. he knows that she's highly respected.

[Jingle]

we're not lynching gamma or clem

Why?

because we're killing you then your buddy then we'll see what town does after you guys kill me n2.
I've already been outed in scumchat, correct?

No idea. I don't generally althunt unless someone suggests that I should do so to read them.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

80% sure Shoshin is the main and fairly newbish.

She plays like newb but talks as if she's played a lot, so I judged her as such.

Also I haven't played with any females as Enter that aren't the main and are fairly new, so I'm genuinely confused as to who she could be if she is new.

[Clemency]

oh no i'm being voted
i gotta play now?
ugh

[Prince of Renais]

Jingle is 100% sure that she is the main and that she is a strong town player. He's just saying that to deflect her being BoP scumread.

[Prince of Renais]

oh no i'm being voted
i gotta play now?
ugh

it's ok just vote shoshin or jingle and you can keep lurking

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Also this is using information against Jingle that he has no way of knowing that I would know but just describing Shoshin as 'fairly newbish' is a hard scumclaim. he knows that she's highly respected.

Is she skitter?

That's the only person that kind of makes sense here.

[Jingle]

Also this is using information against Jingle that he has no way of knowing that I would know but just describing Shoshin as 'fairly newbish' is a hard scumclaim. he knows that she's highly respected.

Highly respected =/= no newbish.

newbish just means she's likely unaware of ingrained interactions between people. She plays relatively few games and thus has relatively little experience with individual players.

I'm not saying she's not respected. (Although I personally don't see her as the boogeyman she's been described to me as.)

[Prince of Renais]

this game is worth outing for even if this is my first game.

Is she skitter?

That's the only person that kind of makes sense here.

Shoshin is Shoshin.

[Jingle]

If she were skitter I'd have a 100% read on her.

[Clemency]

oh no i'm being voted
i gotta play now?
ugh

it's ok just vote shoshin or jingle and you can keep lurking

VOTE: shoshin
allons-y

[Prince of Renais]

merci beaucoup monsieur

[Jingle]

Jingle is 100% sure that she is the main and that she is a strong town player. He's just saying that to deflect her being BoP scumread.

The lack of 100% is because she had her first game as Labyrinth AFAIK. That means it is possible she's an alt who is well hidden.

[Jingle]

Should I bother althunting you PR?

[Prince of Renais]

it won't matter at this point.

[Jingle]

Hm. You've made me curious.

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: Jingle

this is the safer lynch than Shoshin and I'm guaranteed to be alive tomorrow to deal with her then.