Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[ejjinami]

Vote Count 2.9

Volxen:

(4) Vedith, Irrelephant11, Alonzo, volxen

Shoshin:

(1) DoubtingThomas

Irrelephant11:

(0)

Not Voting:

chennisden, Auro, Fuscosco, Shoshin, scum reading

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 05:19:27)

[chennisden]

Dang; there's a lot to read through.

Volxen self-voting is not a good look, but scum might have nominated him for easy lynchbait.

[Irrelephant11]

I’ve considered self voting multiple times
Why is it scummy in this situation

[Shoshin]

It's not. This situation sucks.

[chennisden]

I’ve considered self voting multiple times
Why is it scummy in this situation

Isn't self voting scummy in every situation (for normal games)?

What makes it different here?

[Irrelephant11]

Only three players can be lynched and we all think we’re all town

[chennisden]

Can we no lynch?

[Shoshin]

No.

[chennisden]

Damn I hate my slot.

Looking through p. 65 and p. 66 I think volxen is actually quite a horrible lynch, his defense that scum want him mislynched is very solid

[chennisden]

I don't think scum would risk wasting their nomination on themselves, so we are essentially picking the "Nightkill."

Question to nominees (sorry if this has been asked before): Who would you want lynched D3 if you were lynched? Who would you want lynched D3 if you were NOT lynched?

[chennisden]

Thomas - Why do you think Shoshin is scum?

[chennisden]

I'm not getting this tunnel on Shoshin, and I don't like how Thomas read the scummy slots as towny.

I am aware my slot is scummy

[Shoshin]

Have you read the whole game?

[Shoshin]

Are you disappointed your slot is town?

[Auro]

Volxen, can you answer my earlier question? Also why the self-vote?

Shoshin, your self-case is sound; however:
1. You assert that your reason for townreading Irre (based upon allowing paranoia on you to fester) is a reason you've used multiple times in the past accurately - does this not imply a good chance of Irre being aware about it? Also if your reads have been on the wrong side, this provides scum!Irre incentive to keep you in the game, no?
2. You mention this: "I spent the early parts of this game trying to sort the strongest scum players: Irrel, Auro, & RC". However, Volxen only brought up that my scum game is strong midway through the game; and you said you didn't meta-check me, and this is basically the first game we played. Did you know I was a strong scum player at the beginning? How?

Additionally, if DT's town, there's reason to believe his push is clouded by personal reservations, as you pointed out. Would you agree that it benefits town if you do adapt and answer his questions, as a good-faith gesture? If you agree, then why not do that?

[scum reading]

Volxen, can you answer my earlier question? Also why the self-vote?

I think he considered this is an all-town nomination and he is willing to lynch himself for the good of the town, I think he made a post on this as well, correct me if I’m wrong.

[scum reading]

Regardless, I’ve included shoshin in my town pool after reviewing her game and she brought a solid case.

[Irrelephant11]

I don't think scum would risk wasting their nomination on themselves, so we are essentially picking the "Nightkill."

Question to nominees (sorry if this has been asked before): Who would you want lynched D3 if you were lynched? Who would you want lynched D3 if you were NOT lynched?

I want your slot lynched probably, or fusc maybe
And if either of the other slots flips town, that wouldn’t change
If one of them flips scum, everything would probably change for me so idrk

[Fuscosco]

contextless self vote does look bad. idk vedi, though. failed self hammer seems reachy.

I don't see volx self voting for the ate though . . .

[Fuscosco]

shoshin, what's the deal w/your vote?

[Fuscosco]

I think we should hammer. volx made his points, and frankly he's already finger-gunned me so I have no qualms about voting him now to get a flip. let's continue the game. not like one if us will die tonight

[Irrelephant11]

I would like to hear more from volxen on his reads and who he wants lynched before we hammer him

Does everyone feel confident at this point that Shoshin is town? Or is anyone scumreading her? I at least now feel confident she’s not scum with Auro

[Shoshin]

Shoshin, your self-case is sound; however:
1. You assert that your reason for townreading Irre (based upon allowing paranoia on you to fester) is a reason you've used multiple times in the past accurately - does this not imply a good chance of Irre being aware about it? Also if your reads have been on the wrong side, this provides scum!Irre incentive to keep you in the game, no?
2. You mention this: "I spent the early parts of this game trying to sort the strongest scum players: Irrel, Auro, & RC". However, Volxen only brought up that my scum game is strong midway through the game; and you said you didn't meta-check me, and this is basically the first game we played. Did you know I was a strong scum player at the beginning? How?

Additionally, if DT's town, there's reason to believe his push is clouded by personal reservations, as you pointed out. Would you agree that it benefits town if you do adapt and answer his questions, as a good-faith gesture? If you agree, then why not do that?

I really don't feel like answering some of these questions in-depth right now.

I'm just going to say that I was familiar with your play before the game, not from Starcraft 2, and there's more going on with the Irrel read than just the paranoia stuff, though notice I was also testing to see how aware of the point he was by scumreading him precisely for stoking RC's paranoia.

[Shoshin]

Why are we voting Volx over Irrel? That's the question I want to know.

[Irrelephant11]

I mean I’m personally voting volxen over myself because he’s the most likely of the three of us to be scum imo
But I won’t really fight off my own lynch here either (though I recognize that’s sort of AtE-y, which I guess is sort of unavoidable here?)

I think it’s possible scum!volxen thought he could succeed in getting town to see {me, Auro} as a scumpool and, failing that, out-town you. I also find the silence around his self-vote a little confusing (though not really that scummy)

I don’t think anyone has really addressed my “why am I so widely townread” question from earlier, though, come to think of it
@DT, @vedith, @alonzo
What’s towny about me?