Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Nimueh]

I will go back to lurking for a while if I'm causing problems

No, Xtoxm is the only one who thinks that.

[Nimueh]

@Ank, can you link, quote the point where Urap2 switched his reads to match yours?

[Ankamius]

And now here's the kicker:

Nimueh knew that I had a good record of reading her.
I was scumreading Flubbernugget.
I was scumreading urap2

Urap2 suddenly switches his reads to match mine nearly word for word. That looks a lot less town from this particular light.

How does Urap switching his reads have anything to do with what you’re saying about me? How is that connected to anything?

Was he sr Flubber? I don’t recall?

context.

that post was at creature

[Ankamius]

@Ank, can you link, quote the point where Urap2 switched his reads to match yours?

it starts here

[Nimueh]

So uh this is embarrassing


and I think I might get mislynched for the first time this day phase as a result lolMy bad, like, not even upset if that happens


but nmsa is town LOL

UNVOTE:

So like, the opening was scummy af. He was clearly making up reads and he was stumbling over them, and he never actually went back to look at either 1915 or 1917 to check my meta he went off of memory. And that led to him screwing up regarding me making early content and I slammed him for that. but that meshes with the style he was attempting, tbh. They weren't supposed to be real reads

And I remember thinking at the time that his reads list was shit, and I was kind of in the headspace that enter was scum and that perhaps he was telling nmsa to stfu and just post some reads (and enter had said he was assuming day talk, which made me think there probably is day talk)

but looking back at it, it reads super relaxed. wordings like "my own reads confuse me sometimes" and sticking with the brig vote are probably not in his scum range. Also the reads, while surface level aren't stretched at all. They're not strong reads, and he's not pretending they are, anymore. Which really jives with my understanding of his play.

He hasn't produced much of anything since, but from his perspective and play time he's not winning this 1v1, right? I'm thinking demotivated town

So, this probably makes NMSA town then.

[Nimueh]

TicTac looks significantly worse in my new worldview.

Same might be true of brigitte and enter, but enter at least I'm still town reading strongly for the rest of their play

Brigitte I need to take another look

Which slot besides skitter was pro-lynch on nmsa but didn't want to get on the wagon?

That slot is probably scum.

Nimueh

Yeah them

[Nimueh]

{Tictac, Nimueh, Flubber} are the slots I think I prefer to lynch today.

Let's start here?

VOTE: tictac

Skitter, it's not a strong town read on tic tac, but these are the posts that imply game solving, and inform my read.

Spoiler: Tictac posts that read townie to me

It's not cool to vote my townreads on bad reasoning!

pretty sure ya were voting a town read at this time
Am I correct?

Can I suggest NMSA for that wagon? I expect you'll find that more productive, anyhow.

I've been reading through and honestly this is different from the other games I've played with you so since noone else has done much AI, VOTE: urap2

feeling good about my vote

i mean i read it again and i can see the narrative that you're pushing (ie that he wanted to form wagons and when you weren't interested in reck he switched to pushing who you were pushing) but i don't feel like it explains everything, namely his random read change on reck

What was random about it?

the fact that reck didn't post anything in between so i don't know why he suddenly changed his mind from 'reck has no ai content' to 'nm reck's changing vote like that is townie'

I thought it was a change from casual read into looking at things more closely when prompted.
Gave him a townpoint for it.

@Enter At no point was my read on NMSA a joke, or rvs read. I came into this game fairly confident that I could read NMSA off of his opening posts, and I believe I have done so.

[tris]

The vote precedes two points on brigette being NAI and a setup to still get tris lynched if that were to become convenient. I think this is a perfect illustration of what I was trying to get at when I said chara's posting looks good in a vacuum. This vote really didn't bring any suspicion to chara at all, but it really should have.

isn't this the exact opposite of my posting being good in a vacuum? you're looking at one post here, not the gamestate.

considering one of tris or Brigitte seemed inevitable at that point in the game, why does scum me need to setup on anybody?

I didn't phrase that right. Your surrounding posting looks good enough in a vacuum to let something like your brigette vote slip by.

Your second assumption only holds up if you

know

tris to be town.

This is a good point. I hadn't really noticed this because it matches the way I've been thinking about yesterday's wagons, but why would Chara who has tended towards scumreading me assume that both were town wagons? I would like a response to this from Chara.


As for xtoxm and Flubber,

xtoxm has been pretty scummy today. I did townread urap2, but not enough.

Flubber, I still get the sense that he's town. I don't want to lynch him.

I've completely lost my will to win this game, it died after the D1 lynch, and now it feels like diving into a pool of molasses just reading the thread. I'm perfectly willing to sheep Ank or skitter or someone if it will just get this game to the end or at least to a point where the game is moving fast than 2 posts a day. If Ank is scum taking advantage to lead town astray, then screw it the scumteam deserves the win because I just don't care enough anymore. VOTE: Flubber, I hope it's not L-1 or a hammer cause I'm sure not checking.

I don't know whether to believe this or not, but UNVOTE: NMSA

[xRECKONERx]

I've completely lost my will to win this game, it died after the D1 lynch, and now it feels like diving into a pool of molasses just reading the thread. I'm perfectly willing to sheep Ank or skitter or someone if it will just get this game to the end or at least to a point where the game is moving fast than 2 posts a day. If Ank is scum taking advantage to lead town astray, then screw it the scumteam deserves the win because I just don't care enough anymore. VOTE: Flubber, I hope it's not L-1 or a hammer cause I'm sure not checking.

AUGHHH I WANT TO WRITE OFF NMSA SO BAD BUT THIS

IS

SO

FUCKING

TERRIBLE

[xRECKONERx]

you say that like this conversation was pointless to me.
VOTE: Xtoxm

this vote appeals to me and chara's reasoning lines up pretty well

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: xtoxm

holy shit i wasn't voting

[Chara]

This is a good point. I hadn't really noticed this because it matches the way I've been thinking about yesterday's wagons, but why would Chara who has tended towards scumreading me assume that both were town wagons? I would like a response to this from Chara.

i was talking from Flubber's perspective. i'm not sure on your alignment, but going from his suggestion that i was setting up on

both

of you with my Brigitte vote, that only works if both of you were town.

[Chara]

AUGHHH I WANT TO WRITE OFF NMSA SO BAD BUT THIS

IS

SO

FUCKING

TERRIBLE

no, you're right. that post brought nmsa down to scumlean from null.

also stop trying to pocket me, you know i'm weak to players agreeing with my reasoning.

[Creature]

I want to see a Flubber and Xtoxm gladiate

[Creature]

How many votes are they at currently?

[Chara]

This is a good point. I hadn't really noticed this because it matches the way I've been thinking about yesterday's wagons, but why would Chara who has tended towards scumreading me assume that both were town wagons? I would like a response to this from Chara.

i was talking from Flubber's perspective. i'm not sure on your alignment, but going from his suggestion that i was setting up on

both

of you with my Brigitte vote, that only works if both of you were town.

like, within the same sentence i was also referring to myself as "scum Chara", so i'm not sure how either of you got that i was talking about something i believed in rather than asking about Flubber's thought process.

pedit: oh, me too. if only.

[Nimueh]

How many votes are they at currently?

I think Flubber’s at L-2 and Xtoxm’s at L-4.

[tris]

This is a good point. I hadn't really noticed this because it matches the way I've been thinking about yesterday's wagons, but why would Chara who has tended towards scumreading me assume that both were town wagons? I would like a response to this from Chara.

i was talking from Flubber's perspective. i'm not sure on your alignment, but going from his suggestion that i was setting up on

both

of you with my Brigitte vote, that only works if both of you were town.

Ok, that makes sense.

[Flubbernugget]

Scum reading me bc "meta" and that's it.

My read's more complex than that. It's actually closer to this:

It's a gamestate read, his alignment holds a pretty big key to solving it I think. His actions indicate a scum agenda that I suspect is in play this game and him flipping scum would go a long way towards proving that.
It's a high information high scum equity lynch

Where I'm at.

So, this is less empty than "meta" but still reads pretty empty. You don't have commentary on many players in the game, so I can't tell how you're actually looking at interactions to see me as a piece of the puzzle. The only other way I can think of someone having a "gamestate" read here is if they wanted to accuse me of active lurking, which...errrrr no.

[Ankamius]

Oh dear

Usually it's scum that attack my methods when I scumread them this way :V

[Nimueh]

Scum reading me bc "meta" and that's it.

My read's more complex than that. It's actually closer to this:

It's a gamestate read, his alignment holds a pretty big key to solving it I think. His actions indicate a scum agenda that I suspect is in play this game and him flipping scum would go a long way towards proving that.
It's a high information high scum equity lynch

Where I'm at.

So, this is less empty than "meta" but still reads pretty empty. You don't have commentary on many players in the game, so I can't tell how you're actually looking at interactions to see me as a piece of the puzzle. The only other way I can think of someone having a "gamestate" read here is if they wanted to accuse me of active lurking, which...errrrr no.

What is your current read on Xtoxm?

[Ankamius]

I don't even remember which of the two I'm voting

Is that bad?

[skitter30]

I'm looking for scum between you and succinct at the moment. Has that not been clear?

no, i can see what you're saying you're doing, but how is that vote useful?
all your recent posts are just replies to me. it doesn't feel like sorting.

Part pressure, part not letting it go to waste, part not being impressed by succinct's current responses. Basic mafia 101 stuff. This is useless shade.

As is that my recent posts don't "feel" like sorting. Considering they're all answering your questions and having to clarify my previous posting, it shows you're asking pointless questions.

And to bring this whole thing full circle, your brigette vote was still awful.

ok
why exactly was my vote on you 'bizarre'? eli5

[skitter30]

VOTE: chara

That question was so ignorant of the issue brought up by a host of players in the game that I'm fully convinced your arguments are in bad faith.

this is an awful vote

[skitter30]

Try it this way,

Why sort who you dont suspect?

Let me find what you asked about them.

i suspected you by virtue of the fact that i hadn't sorted you yet

bolded: like the way i read this, the implication is that anyone you don't actively suspect (and by this i think you mean scumread?) you shouldn't spend time sorting - but like there's people in my null pile who i don't actively scumread that need to be sorted too

what exactly is your read on me?