Mini 2063 - Rapier Upick Shuffle [Game Over]

[GuiltyLion]

Does anyone townread parmigiano

Can they explain why

Parmigiana how do you feel about my push on you?

@Radiant - 467 and 468 don't really strike me as posts that scum would make

generally both he and Alonzo feel like D1 lynchbait

I might still come around on Parm but I wanna see more of who jumps on that wagon first

also I still want to hear your thoughts on Michael Scott, especially that post I called out.

[GuiltyLion]

this is a tremendously bad post, for the record

1 - everybody knows faking townreads as scum is easy. It also feels like unnatural/forced reasoning - "they're not playing how in this specific manner I would expect scum to play, therefore they're town"
2 - there was definite need to, because several people were scumreading them and voting them. like you're giving them town credit for doing something that either alignment would want to do to look town.

I have to think a townie - especially players of Auro/volxen caliber - would see that a scum!Fractured could fake this level of content so far and would have more paranoia than a "strong townread" after an ISO skim. this feels like a fabricated townread because they already decided previously that they didn't want to scumread Fractured slot

"They *could* do this as scum, hence you can't townread them for it!"

You ignore that:
1. It's an early AF townread which is obviously subject to re-evaluation.
2. Picking stances in this way is how I begin the game usually.
3. They townread virtually everyone in that RVS interaction IIRC and not just me, saying I townread them just for townreading me is disingenuous.

this is also a bad reply - I'm progressively more confident on scum!Michael Scott at this point

Quote is a strawman of the argument I'm making. I'm not really saying people

can't

townread Fractured, rather the point is that your reasons for a "strong" townread on Fractured were notably weak in a way that doesn't really make sense from a townie.

1 - until/unless you actually re-evaluate, this means nothing. and it's not a counter to my point that the townread is bad to begin with
2 - cool, same. your justification for that stance remains extremely sketchy
3 - I didn't say anything about who they townread, had nothing to do with you. More just that saying "we RVS mindmelded on townreads" isn't at all a compelling reason to townread someone unless there's more to why you think those particular townreads are town-indicative.

[Dunnstral]

VC 1.4

Alonzo (4): Lovebird, Michael Scott, Parmigiano Reggiano, Brigitte
Parmigiano Reggiano (2): RadiantCowbells, Alonzo
Fractured (1): implosion
Lovebird (1): Reality Check
implosion (1): Varsoon
Michael Scott (1): GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion (1): Fractured


Not Voting (4): JohnnyEnglish, [Keen], [Keen], mbaki

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 04:00:00)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Notes:

[GuiltyLion]

You didn't absolve your read on us in 806, where you stated a reason to townread and a reason to scumread us (based mostly on a read conflict and a line Enter has said as scum), even though you were telling people you wanted to sell them on voting us, but you didn't follow up on that at all. 486

What changed from this point?

you actually gave scumreads and better townreads that I could vibe with and imagine coming from town in your slot

When this hydra noted you've kept your vote on us, you vote MS over how fabricated you deem his townread on us to be, one of the few people who has resisted the scumreads here. (Vars and Johnny are only other people I've seen state one) I believe its validity because MS-scum has nothing to gain from that post.

I don't see what MS-scum gains from that read either necessarily, but I do know that the way he gave it looks awfully scummy

So I don't understand your points on MS fabricating a townread. Auro/Volxen both don't have a lot of first-hand experience with either head, so why do you expect them to know we WOULD be scum?

You don't evaluate the post links of this hydra that MS made to back-up his townread. 528 631

It's not about Auro/Volxen's meta with you specifically, it's more about what I know of both players. Auro is incredibly insightful and capable as town, and Volxen I've seen go deep into trying to clear one of his pet townreads at the expense of paranoia of two otherwise rather obvtown slots (Auro/CoA) because he was so careful about accidentally town-clearing a potential deepwolf, here. I just can't comfortably grok that they would so casually shelve you as strong-town off what you'd contributed so far. It's an alarmingly bad justification for a townread.

I don't really care about the content of those posts, I care that they suggested you "had no need" to post them. Do you really agree that scum!you wouldn't feel bothered to give some better town-looking reads at that point?

The bolded is an assumption MS had planned to townread us prior to that post, off what basis?

Because MS isn't paranoid enough over our slot?

yes.

[GuiltyLion]

Parm's wagon doesn't make sense to me. I don't see what Parm's done that merits being lynched. I've tried to ask people who I'm more familiar with and their answers haven't been satisfying.

Alonzo, I can get, but that's just cus the guy has a bit of an abrasive devil-may-care style to his posts. Dunno that it makes him scum.

Honestly, I'm fine with either flipping, given that they could be scum just playing in a way that doesn't ping to me and it'll give plenty of info that actually might drive my engagement towards scumhunting based on wagon comp. I just don't wanna be complicit in those lynches because then I get less information at the point of flip.

this pings me as real scummy

Varsoon doesn't want to commit to calling either slot as scum, but says he can flip either of them anyway. There's no care whatsoever about avoiding a lynch on town here.

[GuiltyLion]

and before anyone gets into semantics on that last post, obviously I see that he's saying he doesn't want to vote on either lynch. It's the "I'm fine with either flipping" that bothers me because he's not actually going to bat for slots that he thinks could be town. It's even worse than just sheeping/voting them because he's pushing the lynch along while trying to abdicate responsibility at the same time

[mbaki]

This game has a fuck ton of scummy slots

[Varsoon]

I don't think those slots are town, though, GL. Like, not lock-town at least.
It's D1. I'm alright with a green flip on someone most people are drawing question marks over if it gets us good info.
If that's a shitty way to play, well, yeah, I'm Varsoon.

[Alonzo]

This game has a fuck ton of scummy slots

So vote one

[mbaki]

I did, they parried me

[Reality Check]

I did, they parried me

mbaki should I be townreading you

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok

I officially townread alonzo

[mbaki]

I did, they parried me

mbaki should I be townreading you

I think I should be a null to scum lean ATM

[Alonzo]

Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

[mbaki]

hey RC

nice wagon on parm

[Parmigiano Reggiano]

hey RC

nice wagon on parm

Do you think RC is scum or town

[Parmigiano Reggiano]

Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

This means we shouldn't lynch them right now.

Oh yeah UNVOTE: alonzo

[mbaki]

I d k

I vote u over him if that's that q

I'm a bot drunk

[Parmigiano Reggiano]

I d k

I vote u over him if that's that q

I'm a bot drunk

Are you struggling to sort my slot?

[implosion]

Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

[Parmigiano Reggiano]

Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

This means maybe we should lynch them

[Alonzo]

Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

This means maybe we should lynch them

What reason would you give?

[implosion]

I’m gonna be kind of sad if rc is scum in this game because I think he actually does look town and I agree w all the town reads on him and it means if he is scum I actually can never try to read him again with any degree of confidence. At least not in this way.

In no order, I feel quite good about all of rc, rc, brig, gl as town. I’m inclined more weakly town on (also orderless) lovebird, frac, johnny.

That leaves a scumpool of Michael/Varsoon/khaki (not fixing this autocorrect bc it’s too good to)/Alonzo (though these four are all very different opinions which I will elaborate again when not mobile.) it also leaves a cheese pool of you know who

[implosion]

Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

This means maybe we should lynch them

Absolutely

I fucking hate typing vote tags on mobile

[Parmigiano Reggiano]

Michael Scott is in everyones bottom half right?

Half of people have barely mentioned him and he’s my and gls bottom one, from what I can tell

This means maybe we should lynch them

What reason would you give?

If everyone scumleans them, it feels like a ML. But if only 2 scumread them and nobody else mentions them, it feels like scum. Not much more to it than that atm.