Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.02

Sakura Hana (2) -

Alchemist21, TemporalLich

Elsa Jay (2) -

Shadowlesscloud, Irrelephant11

brassherald (1) -

JunkoChan

Alchemist21 (1) -

Blooper

Irrelephant11 (1) -

Elsa Jay

Not Voting (14) -

TTTT, Allomancer, Vedith, ofrhz, davesaz, NotMySpamAccount, DoubtingThomas, pinturicchio, Performer, Gamma Emerald, Chemist1422, Xtoxm, Sakura Hana, brassherald

With 21 players alive it takes 11 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-03-30 23:30:00).

[Sakura Hana]

I don't want to lynch either possible Judases, to be honest. We can sort with night actions

My thoughts exactly.
Elsa can just vig irrelephant actually if he's telling the truth.

[Sakura Hana]

Pedit: but me being nightkilled wouldn’t prove my or Elsa’s claim
It would just prove Elsa has a nightkill

If you flip town after being killed or someone's a bloodhound and scans you I dont see any reason to not believe you're telling the truth.

[Elsa Jay]

It would be nice if we had a Cop or something to confirm this...

[Sakura Hana]

Cop can only detect Mafia, it wouldnt detect other factions.
Bloodhound detects town so technically is better.
Also Irreelephant cant be a lyncher on Elsa? Elsa isnt neither above or below him.

[Chemist1422]

If one of you is a lyncher, would they be investigated as town?

[Sakura Hana]

If one of you is a lyncher, would they be investigated as town?

For everything but a bloodhound, yes.
As i said before Cop finds if someone's Mafia or not, Seer finds if someone's werewolf or not, there's also one for aleins, sk and cult tho i dont exactly remember their names, any other 3ps you dont know unless it's bloodhound.

[Sakura Hana]

Eh, i just went to double check

Cop = Mafia/Not Mafia result
Seer = Werewolf/Not Werewolf result
Conspirancy Theorist = Alien/Not Alien result (Also miller for Alien scans)
Private Investigator = Cult/Not Cult result
FBI Agent = SK/Not SK result
Bloodhound = Town/Not Town result

[Shadowlesscloud]

lmao What are the chances that town wouldnt have nk potential though? Would mafia really risk that for the 1:1 they get with irrelephant doing this is Elsa is somehow town?

[brassherald]

If Elsa is telling the truth completely, the issue is we then are risking whether town has not just a NK, but we are betting on whether there are two.

I have not done the math, but the chances are not super great that we have 2 viges and the mafia would then not have a protective, which is another reason to take the chance,

[Sakura Hana]

lmao What are the chances that town wouldnt have nk potential though? Would mafia really risk that for the 1:1 they get with irrelephant doing this is Elsa is somehow town?

Eh, that's a fair point, assuming that Irrelephant is Mafia lying then they should know that at the very least Elsa's telling the truth (or decided to cross bus which is stupid) unless he's some other faction and decided to claim Judas for some weird reason. And if Elsa's telling the truth then they should know that he's a town killing power (which they can convert by lynching).

Inherently there's still a big risk associated with Lynching elsa without knowing more info, so not something I support doing D1.
We can be certain that.
If Elsa is telling the truth about being a vig, he may very well be already a mafia vig, in which case they arent unlynchable to begin with.
If Elsa is telling the truth about being Judas, then it hurts town's win con to lynch him, it hurts even more than by shooting them. This is doubly true if they are also vig.

HOWEVER.
I was just reading on the Judas role and apparently if they convert they dont even know who mafia is anyway, it's possible he ends up shooting his own team with his power.

Maybe it's not as risky as i initially thought... maybe. Unless in GestI is different.

@Mod: If an hypothetical Judas is lynched do they know who the other Mafia members are?

Hmm... this is hard, I dont really want to risk it still... ugh.

[Elsa Jay]

I think you're confusing Judas with Saulus, Sakura. Saulus begins as a Mafia Traitor, basically.

Judas in Greatest Idea Mafia joins the regular Mafia Faction, I think.

[Sakura Hana]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Judas
Doesnt seem to be the case here unless GestI is different.

[Sakura Hana]

In the interest of balance, the Judas may not be told who the rest of the Mafia are upon conversion.

[DoubtingThomas]

Hint: I drew all 3 sets in a way that i was able to make the same exact role and alignment for all three sets

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: sakura

[DoubtingThomas]

Omg chemist my son

[Shadowlesscloud]

WOW NOT EVEN GONNA ACKNOWLEDGE ME

[NotMySpamAccount]

This is gonna be fun. I agree that we shouldn't lynch either calimd Judas though, nks should take care of that.

[Shadowlesscloud]

This is gonna be fun. I agree that we shouldn't lynch either calimd Judas though, nks should take care of that.

Question. What happens if it wont be/cant be? With either Elsa telling the truth & being roleblocked/Irrelephant being protected or Elsa lying and Elsa being protected?

[Sakura Hana]

You're talking as if within 21 players we wont have a way to sort them regardless.

[NotMySpamAccount]

This is gonna be fun. I agree that we shouldn't lynch either calimd Judas though, nks should take care of that.

Question. What happens if it wont be/cant be? With either Elsa telling the truth & being roleblocked/Irrelephant being protected or Elsa lying and Elsa being protected?

idk I have like three games under my belt bu t I agree with this:

You're talking as if within 21 players we wont have a way to sort them regardless.

[Micc]

@Mod: If an hypothetical Judas is lynched do they know who the other Mafia members are?

No.

[Shadowlesscloud]

You're talking as if within 21 players we wont have a way to sort them regardless.

Well how many cops can we have considering one was threw away? How many other potential investigative abilities were used as alignment? Esspecally considering the no mafia throw away

p-edit: Yeah, since Judas Elsa wouldnt know who mafia is, id be even more happy lynching her

[Elsa Jay]

So you WANT to waste a lynch on me then?