Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.03

Sakura Hana (3) -

Alchemist21, TemporalLich, DoubtingThomas

Elsa Jay (2) -

Shadowlesscloud, Irrelephant11

brassherald (1) -

JunkoChan

Alchemist21 (1) -

Blooper

Irrelephant11 (1) -

Elsa Jay

Not Voting (13) -

TTTT, Allomancer, Vedith, ofrhz, davesaz, NotMySpamAccount, pinturicchio, Performer, Gamma Emerald, Chemist1422, Xtoxm, Sakura Hana, brassherald

With 21 players alive it takes 11 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-03-30 23:30:00).

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Shadow
I'm starting to think that shadow's the most suspicious person here.

[Sakura Hana]

Everyone else has at least shown some hesitation to the Elsa situation, but Shadow just wants to lynch.

[JunkoChan]

my daily contribution:

1. I think Elsa is lying but won't risk a lynch on a judas
2. I don't understand the Sakura wagon
3. I think Sakura is town
4. I like pineapple pizza

UNVOTE:

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Shadow
I'm starting to think that shadow's the most suspicious person here.

#sheeping VOTE: shadowlesscloud

[Shadowlesscloud]

Everyone else has at least shown some hesitation to the Elsa situation, but Shadow just wants to lynch.

Because everyone else is banking on night actions that we arnt guarrenteed to have. Look at my last post about the chances of having a second cop or alot of investigatives.

Also look at page one where i was pushing Elsa before she claimed Judas as well

[Sakura Hana]

Everyone else has at least shown some hesitation to the Elsa situation, but Shadow just wants to lynch.

Because everyone else is banking on night actions that we arnt guarrenteed to have. Look at my last post about the chances of having a second cop or alot of investigatives.

Also look at page one where i was pushing Elsa before she claimed Judas as well

First of all, what's with this reliance on specifically cops.
Second of all, you're talking as if town KP is the only threat to Elsa's life, if (and mostly if) there's SK or other groupscup factions they might shoot him too. If Elsa's telling the truth he's at least a town vigi atm, which is a serious threat to most scum and 3p. And if he's lying he's also still a threat (unless he's lying about the vigi part too, in which case it isnt that bad for them to be alive a night or 2).

If anything.
Elsa's claim means he's going to die sooner rather than later.

But you seem to be just wanting to lynch him, i wonder if you know he's not mafia and just want to recruit him.
As for the early claim... who cares, I've claimed early too several times in the past.

[Alchemist21]

I like pineapple pizza

PL worthy imo.

[Shadowlesscloud]

Everyone else has at least shown some hesitation to the Elsa situation, but Shadow just wants to lynch.

Because everyone else is banking on night actions that we arnt guarrenteed to have. Look at my last post about the chances of having a second cop or alot of investigatives.

Also look at page one where i was pushing Elsa before she claimed Judas as well

First of all, what's with this reliance on specifically cops.
Second of all, you're talking as if town KP is the only threat to Elsa's life, if (and mostly if) there's SK or other groupscup factions they might shoot him too. If Elsa's telling the truth he's at least a town vigi atm, which is a serious threat to most scum and 3p. And if he's lying he's also still a threat (unless he's lying about the vigi part too, in which case it isnt that bad for them to be alive a night or 2).

If anything.
Elsa's claim means he's going to die sooner rather than later.

But you seem to be just wanting to lynch him, i wonder if you know he's not mafia and just want to recruit him.
As for the early claim... who cares, I've claimed early too several times in the past.

I didnt mention the early claim even tho thats another point (what they claimed, not when)

BEcause its a mafia situation, therefore cop. As you pointed out before, none of the others would see mafia.

Tht doesnt mean they wont continue to survive. Everyone is avoiding the question of what happens if one of them simply dont die. They would rather leave it to "Of course they will be resolved" and its disgusting.

What if mafia have a jailkeeper and Elsa is telling the truth? They could ride the two Judas claims all the way to end game as Irrelephant wont be nightkilled cause hes not a threat and Elsa cant kill or be killed.

"But you seem to be just wanting to lynch him, i wonder if you know he's not mafia and just want to recruit him." is honestly just blantant shading as you ignore the points i brought up before.

[Sakura Hana]

I can think of several other options that dont involve "Cop" or "Vig" to figure out if something fishy happens, cant you?

[Shadowlesscloud]

I can think of several other options that dont involve "Cop" or "Vig" to figure out if something fishy happens, cant you?

Not without a heavy sacrifice from town. the most would be a lucky tracker or a watcher. Granted Elsa did ask for one so +townpoints for that?

Maybe im still irked by how Elsa did it, im not one to be pushed back by threats

[Sakura Hana]

That's more of an attitude/playstyle issue than an alignment issue.
I remember Elsa being annoyed in the previous game by a vig when i read it, granted Elsa was scum there and i still dont have a town point of reference.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm annoyed by a vigilante literally going "claim or I shoot you" like Oka did. That's just stupid to try and control the game all by yourself.

[Sakura Hana]

VT is a safe ass claim with 12 of them around, Ele. And you could have had the same effect if you'd have tossed Judas instead. So you are a liar.

Btw, funny is that i could also have discarded wrong place at the wrong time townie and also gotten the same combination i currently have.

[Shadowlesscloud]

That's more of an attitude/playstyle issue than an alignment issue.
I remember Elsa being annoyed in the previous game by a vig when i read it, granted Elsa was scum there and i still dont have a town point of reference.

I suppose. But attitude and playstyle can bleed over to alignment. Ive never played with Elsa so the line that is meta is blurred out to me. From my POV, Elsa threatened me to quit pushing her with the threat of being shot after she is lynched.

[Sakura Hana]

Considering people can usually choose their alignment.
Meta/Attitude/Playstyle seem like great scumhunting tools to me in GestI

[Shadowlesscloud]

Considering people can usually choose their alignment.
Meta/Attitude/Playstyle seem like great scumhunting tools to me in GestI

We are going in circles though.

I dont know their meta

Their attitude is scummy

Their playstyle is worse so rn.

???

[Shadowlesscloud]

Considering people can usually choose their alignment.
Meta/Attitude/Playstyle seem like great scumhunting tools to me in GestI

We are going in circles though.

I dont know their meta

Their attitude is scummy

Their playstyle is worse so rn.

???

Instead of interacting with me, they early claimed and threatened my life to get the pressure off of themselves like

[Sakura Hana]

Considering people can usually choose their alignment.
Meta/Attitude/Playstyle seem like great scumhunting tools to me in GestI

We are going in circles though.

I dont know their meta

Their attitude is scummy

Their playstyle is worse so rn.

???

Could be true, or could be just you justifying yourself via early interactions to push a recruitment.

[Sakura Hana]

I couldn't be scum so I got the next best thing.

Hmm...
@Elsa why did you claim?

[pinturicchio]

Considering people can usually choose their alignment.
Meta/Attitude/Playstyle seem like great scumhunting tools to me in GestI

We are going in circles though.

I dont know their meta

Their attitude is scummy

Their playstyle is worse so rn.

???

What you're not considering here is that, even if you don't know their meta, there are plenty of players who know their meta and told you about it, so know even if you haven't played with Elsa before, you have that information on your hands and you're not aknowledging it.

[pinturicchio]

Can a Serial Killer be Judas?

[Sakura Hana]

Can a Serial Killer be Judas?

Serial Killer is an alignment and so is Judas so no.

[Shadowlesscloud]

Considering people can usually choose their alignment.
Meta/Attitude/Playstyle seem like great scumhunting tools to me in GestI

We are going in circles though.

I dont know their meta

Their attitude is scummy

Their playstyle is worse so rn.

???

What you're not considering here is that, even if you don't know their meta, there are plenty of players who know their meta and told you about it, so know even if you haven't played with Elsa before, you have that information on your hands and you're not aknowledging it.

I alredy said im not aknowleding it because of how biasedit can become. Im going to read people off of how they act in thread and their actions, not by how people tell me i should read others

[davesaz]

At bottom of 4. Let's see how many can accurately answer this setup/mechanics thing as I catch up.

Judas is an alignment. The card can be used as alignment and have a role added, or it can be used as a role card which makes it vanilla of whatever alignment is chosen.

Each of the 3 possible setups was an independent draw with a full deck. Cards can duplicate across the 3 setups, but cannot duplicate within a setup. We're playing setup C (some say 3). If you're gonna counter somone be certain it's using a card from the role you actually got for the game.