Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[Sakura Hana]

Also, I think shad & sakura are town.

When and why did your read on me change?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Also, I think shad & sakura are town.

Note, just because the last scum pushing me wit hthreats backfired, doesnt mean trying to pocket me would work any better

[davesaz]

I'm beginning to believe this case on Performer.

[Performer]

Also, my asking of questions may help keep discussion going, which can produce good information to scumhunt off of. Case in point, alch voting me, adding a cryptic "one of me/shad is scum."

I don’t like that you’re trying to take credit for an interaction that:

A) is difficult for me to read which wouldn’t be helpful for you as Town.

B) only exists because Shadowless started pushing you.

It’s like someone going “uh, yeah, I meant to do that,” in a sitcom.

this...just feels manufactured from alch

Asking questions doesnt make you towny. Some of these questions are hard to believe that you wouldnt already know the answer to and look fake as hell

That's fair, you can scumread me for that if you think my answers are fabricated. I'm not afraid to ask questions on FM or irl if I'm trying to understand things better, or to understand it correctly.

[Performer]

Also, I think shad & sakura are town.

When and why did your read on me change?

During the interaction with alch, and you - regarding the scum vig talk

[Alchemist21]

Yeah no. You’re not gonna discredit me that easily.

[Sakura Hana]

Also, I think shad & sakura are town.

When and why did your read on me change?

During the interaction with alch, and you - regarding the scum vig talk

What part of that was AI, it was mostly mech talk?

[Sakura Hana]

You forgot to answer the "Why" too.

[Performer]

When you began talking about being in that game on pg 29, and your alt - so it looked like your meta in this game (you were town in that game).

Alch saying I'm "hard to understand" & that I'm sounding LAMIST, doesn't sound right.

That's why I switched you two in reads.

[Sakura Hana]

so it looked like your meta in this game (you were town in that game).

Dam, you must have good memory, or very quick reading.
Although now that you say this is why, i dont think it's particularly sus, I just felt like i had done nothing to earn your TR in the last couple pages.

[Almost50]

IF she was mafia weak jailkeeper, that would confirm way too many players

Excuse me, but how does it confirm anyone if they died on N1? Like, play with me.. we all know people like to discuss discards and even get claims in this setup. Now, Elsa claims weak anything and they have to tell us whom they're targeting beforehand (so we know whom they (targeted if they died). Now all scum need to do is shoot Elsa and we won't even know if they died to a shot or to the weak modifier, let alone they DIED so won't be confirming anyone anymore.

[Shadowlesscloud]

IF she was mafia weak jailkeeper, that would confirm way too many players

Excuse me, but how does it confirm anyone if they died on N1? Like, play with me.. we all know people like to discuss discards and even get claims in this setup. Now, Elsa claims weak anything and they have to tell us whom they're targeting beforehand (so we know whom they (targeted if they died). Now all scum need to do is shoot Elsa and we won't even know if they died to a shot or to the weak modifier, let alone they DIED so won't be confirming anyone anymore.

Easy, she not claim weak. Just say or soft she is targetting someone

[Almost50]

Hardclaim Vigilante with Judas as alignment card, then.

WARNING: Knowing this guy I'd disregard anything he claims until it's proven beyond any shadow if doubt.

Now if there are any Cops or Trackers they're going to need to target this sometime (not necessarily on N1, but sometime way before LyLo).

Note: Mafia won't shoot Elsa now because they'd be happy to have him lynched and have him do an extra kill for them on one night. Other anti-town factions may be tempted to get rid of a killing role that's not on their side, so that's a thing.

[Almost50]

Hmm. Unless hes straight up mafia in which hes never pushed or lynched

This is only relevant if you know there to be no anti-town factions besides Mafia. Like, even if Jay is SK, the WWs/Aliens want him dead still.

[Shadowlesscloud]

My god hes actually starting from the start

[Sakura Hana]

My god hes actually starting from the start

Pfft, this game's only 30 pages, that's nothing.

[davesaz]

And now we wait for the catchup to reach the point of multiple CC's and a retraction.
Which for EJ is still standard procedure.

[Almost50]

im thinking of it like this.

IF your lying, town lynches scum.

IF youre not, we lynch confirmed scum d2 unless youre already killed n1

Why waste 2 lynches on the same slot? It's not like we have unlimited powers ourselves.

[Almost50]

I thought the same. Is mafia a favored faction in this site? Like do people like to be scum?

Some do and some don't. What's your point?

[Shadowlesscloud]

I thought the same. Is mafia a favored faction in this site? Like do people like to be scum?

Some do and some don't. What's your point?

Thats legit 700 posts ago, fuck if i know now unless i go back

[pinturicchio]

It's standard etiquette to let the guy catch up and not do filler posts like "omg he's really reading from the begining", in order to not disencourage what he's doing which is ultimately what every repped in player should do. So shut the hell up if you don't have any analysis to share with the rest (this is directed to no one in particular)

[Almost50]

Elsa is lying, I had the Judas card

Thanks for claiming scum.

If we have a Vig, feel free to shoot the true Judas!
Also any SK/WWs out there: you don't want this alive later on. You can't lynch it and you probably will have other important targets to kill at night by then, so NOW id your best chance.

P.S. Do NOT rely on "someone else" to do your job for you. We don't even KNOW if we have a Vig/SK/WW in the game, so each of you (if existent) should consider themselves the only killing role outside of Mafia (which is OBVIOUSLY in existence -contrary to what brass said- as there's only ONE discarded Mafia role)

[Almost50]

Yeah I had it for setup 3

Irrel discarded Town Lover, and used Judas for role/alignment. If we consider it a role then chances are he used "something other than Town" for alignment, and if we consider it an alignment then you know he's a Judas "some role".

So "why is it that he is not town?", someone may ask. It's because if the 3rd card he had was Town ANYTHING then he could've used the Lover card for alignment and that other card for role if he so much disliked the Lover role. I can't see anyone getting even VT+Lover+Judas discarding Lover and picking Town Judas over Town Vanilla. Now go through the list of town roles and replace the VT with any of them, including negative utilities such as Miller, Hirsute, Watchlisted & Universal Miller.

[Almost50]

I haven’t yet said I used Judas for alignment, Elsa

Sure, it’s possible I’m an Elsa lyncher
Seems like Occam’s razor is that Elsa fake claimed Judas to avoid the lynch and I cc’d because I’m town

Solution: Let you both be for today. If Elsa is a killing role they sure as hell will shoot you regardless of his own alignment because you may be his Lyncher. We get your flip and we can work from there.

[Almost50]

Btw, this game is getting my full attention in less than 30 min. I am in the final stages of doing something other than Mafia in my life, and then I'll have nothing better to do for a couple of hours.