Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Shoshin]

I hope that you follow through on my reads after I'm dead.

[Alisae]

Are we talking about how great nsg is?

we're not but we should be

nsg is great

[Dannflor]

I have nothing to say. PR has convinced me that I'm probably scum even though I'm town.

It feels like the scum have given up already.

[Prince of Renais]

l-4.

[Shoshin]

Okay, a response to PR's "case":

Spoiler:

the moment that I called grapes scum, Shoshin tries to appeal to my respect for her to get me to sheep her. no specific intended target except that it's

not

grapes.

I admit this looks bad. The reason I was appealing to PR is because he often leads mislynches in my games when my preferred lynches are on scum. Grapes wasn't on my radar at this point.

It's fine if townies don't townread me but I feel like I'm pretty obvtown here to stronger scumhunters.

I'd prefer a lynch on Lycan/Clem over Grapes. I know this is bad of me to say but when Grapes was interacting with me I felt like he was actually giving me a fair shot instead of just pushing my mislynch.

Are you town on Lycan?

continues to vaguely call grapes town but isn't willing to fully commit to it. and Shoshin has an immense amount of weight behind her townreads. see any of her games. but she's not willing to hard push this one.

PR's right that I'll go to extreme lengths to defend strong townreads. Grapes wasn't a townread. He was in that spot where I'm okay letting his lynch happen but prefer others, and that's nothing out of the ordinary for me. It's not scummy to let a lynch happen on scum while expressing preference for others who turn out to be scum as well -- it's something that happens sometimes.

I will say this is a first for me, causing two players in a game to replace out. I'm not sure how to feel about this.

Lycan/Clem/Buj is my solve at the moment. I'm not "really really certain" though. I'll let you know when I am.

i actually seriously considered replacing out the moment she called me scum so make that 4!

I keep coming back to this.

Why would you replace out just because I called you scum?

If you're town, wouldn't you just push my lynch?

This feels fake, PR.

I can't detail this but Shoshin 100% knows that this is a fact. yet she tries to call me scum for it while I'm pushing grapes.

I didn't know this until this game.

So if I ever want you to replace out of my games, I just call you scum?

I get that you're sensitive but that feels a bit much even for you.

Okay, I looked through some of Grapes games. I understand the wagon now.

VOTE: Grapes

you can scumread grapes on meta but grapes was obvscum based on the contents of this game and this game alone. town shoshin wouldn't have needed that.
also worth noting that once the momentum gets the point where it's pretty obviously happening she goes from trying to appeal to me to vote lyc or clem to oh yeah sure grapes seems scum.

I wasn't seeing obvscum Grapes until I checked his meta. PR might have thought it was obvious but he's informed about Grapes' meta in ways that I wasn't so I don't think PR has an unbiased perspective on this.

I admit the timing on my vote seems opportunistic if you assume Lycan/Clem are town. I also think it's unfair to read this as bussing when I easily could have directed the lynch elsewhere at this point. The Grapes wagon wasn't anything close to as solid as PR says & PR easily would have changed directions with a bit of insistence on my part.

footnote: shoshin has far too large of an ego to follow me. she respects my play but in any individual situation she would always put her reads first. this her trying to be a good townie, this isn't who she actually is.

I believed in the Grapes lynch after reading his games. There's a remarkable difference between his town games and his play in this game.

oh and she can fuck right off with that lynch me at lylo thing. she's made a point many times of saying that she would never try to use that kind of rationale regarding me. she claims that she can read me
in fact she has proven that she can read me over a succession of games. the one game where I was scum she told irrelephant to lynch me. she hasn't read me as scum when i was town.
and yet in this game where i've spewed myself town to death she's hiding behind a paranoia read instead of solving me.

claiming to be good as town comes with perks as well as penalties and her saying that i'm scum here is in and of itself enough reason to lynch her. end story.

This is fair. I made the comment out of frustration for reasons.

i immediately felt something off with her play when i replaced in and voted her. i overthought it and unvoted. i gotta trust those feelings.

PR feels something off about me in every game he's ever been in with me. I've always been town.

she only actively tries to work with me when she's scum

This is untrue. PR's never played against scum me. I urge anyone voting me to check the meta for themselves.

[Lycanfire]

Lycan, who are the scums?

I mean, how about you?

You TMIed DDL in 1501 but at the same time he hasn't answered who exactly rubbed him the wrong way bc he said grapes was a bad wagon due to distracting from buj. only after buj voted him did he revise it to that speed of wagon shit.

maybe it's irrelevant w/ grapes flip so yeah, you're worse for believing there was an actual concern

VOTE: Dannflor

[Lycanfire]

-snip-

oh and she can fuck right off with that lynch me at lylo thing. she's made a point many times of saying that she would never try to use that kind of rationale regarding me. she claims that she can read me
in fact she has proven that she can read me over a succession of games. the one game where I was scum she told irrelephant to lynch me. she hasn't read me as scum when i was town.
and yet in this game where i've spewed myself town to death she's hiding behind a paranoia read instead of solving me.

claiming to be good as town comes with perks as well as penalties and her saying that i'm scum here is in and of itself enough reason to lynch her. end story.

who gives a fuck who you are

Pretty sure I know who you are, btw.

wew thanks for not alt outing anyone jingle

this case is pretty much entirely precipitated on shoshin knowing renais is renais from the beginning. did you get this impression d1, jingle?

[Dannflor]

Lycan, who are the scums?

I mean, how about you?

You TMIed DDL in 1501 but at the same time he hasn't answered who exactly rubbed him the wrong way bc he said grapes was a bad wagon due to distracting from buj. only after buj voted him did he revise it to that speed of wagon shit.

maybe it's irrelevant w/ grapes flip so yeah, you're worse for believing there was an actual concern

VOTE: Dannflor

i don't understand anything you're saying in this post sorry

[Lycanfire]

Lycan, who are the scums?

I mean, how about you?

You TMIed DDL in 1501 but at the same time he hasn't answered who exactly rubbed him the wrong way bc he said grapes was a bad wagon due to distracting from buj. only after buj voted him did he revise it to that speed of wagon shit.

maybe it's irrelevant w/ grapes flip so yeah, you're worse for believing there was an actual concern

VOTE: Dannflor

i don't understand anything you're saying in this post sorry

you have bad reasons for you beliefs and taking what DDL said at face value is sus, but makes a lot more sense if you know his align.

[Dannflor]

like what does DDL have to do with that post for starters

[Dannflor]

you have bad reasons for you beliefs and taking what DDL said at face value is sus, but makes a lot more sense if you know his align.

I was literally voting DDL two seconds ago what

[Lycanfire]

holy fucking shit can today be second sunday so i have an excuse not to deal with this

[Lycanfire]

like what does DDL have to do with that post for starters

you have bad reasons for you beliefs and taking what DDL said at face value is sus, but makes a lot more sense if you know his align.

I was literally voting DDL two seconds ago what

Why did I have DDL as maybe town? Honestly no idea

bECausE yoU rEAd thE thrEAd

[Lycanfire]

snip

I thought FA was near unreadable garbage posting. I'm giving her and Enter a pass for the PL stuff because in the case of FA

that's pretty much exactly what I'd expect her to do regardless of align

or in Enter's case because he gave that bit about being a 65 year old scummer reminiscing bout the good old days (hint this is why I tr Reiuji but not really)

How much do you agree with Renais FA-scum meta and is scum!Jingle dependent on Shoshin being scum?

My Jingle TR pretty much comes from the fact that he ignored all the fluff hitting Shoshin but singled out my argument against her. I don't think scum!Jingle goes the extra mile for scum!Shoshin here, because it was like he was talking to me directly to explain what I was getting at the first time around.

or maybe double dog daring me is an acceptable risk and i should feel bad for being shite at mafia

so the exact opposite to your read.

[Dannflor]

I'm not trying to discredit or intentionally misinterpret what you're saying or anything

I'm just seriously not understanding whatever it is you're getting at and sorry if that's frustrating

What do you think of Shoshin wagon/case?

[Alisae]

How much do you agree with Renais FA-scum meta and is scum!Jingle dependent on Shoshin being scum?

I think the 2 are definitely more likely to be scum together then not, especially with knowing how FA used to play.
Like old!FA self-voted a lot and did a lot of the things shoshin did a lot.
so FA being angry for doing some of the things she used to do doesn't seem right to me.

[Shoshin]

I knew who PR was after about two posts from them.

[Shoshin]

Lycan seems overly angry. Why are people townreading this?

[Alisae]

really cuz I knew after 1

[Prince of Renais]

shoshin is still at l-4

[Reiuji Utsuho]

UNVOTE:

L-5 now.
Whachugondo

[Alisae]

Can she be at l-0 plz
Thank

[Jingle]

This is my case.
It is probably not good enough to do the job because I'm not that good at this type of thing.
But that is my attempt to explain why Jingle is scum to the best of my ability.

Can't really argue the FA stuff, but the me stuff I definitely can.

Yo, PR. Remember the game you played with meETL hydra? Remember how I treated you pretty much exactly like I have here? Cause I don't want to out your alt to defend myself, but you should pretty easily be able to support the lackadaisical poking as something I do as both alignments.

[Prince of Renais]

UNVOTE:

L-5 now.
Whachugondo

pls don't do this thing

[Reiuji Utsuho]

I am a total sucker to defeatist attitude so I will be true to myself and waffle a bit more.

P-Edit ok fiiiiine

VOTE: Shoshin