Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Dannflor]

also everyone knows who PR is but me and that's just fine idc i don't feel left out whatever

[Dannflor]

xtoxm what are you doing

[Shoshin]

I'm pretty sure Xtox townreads me because he's actually played with scum me. The only person in this game to do so.

[Dannflor]

Has PR not?

[Prince of Renais]

We played in an off-site game that I think she has forgotten

[Shoshin]

That's a lie.

[Prince of Renais]

Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone then, but I don't think I am.

I'll figure it out when I have time to dig through my off-site games list

[Shoshin]

That's another lie. You know we didn't play off-site.

[Prince of Renais]

I suppose so. Regardless you're still not at all in your town meta for reasons already given.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Shoshin are you mislynched as town?

[Shoshin]

You've already convinced me I'm scum with a town PM, PR. It happens.

The way to win these situations is leaving me alive until LYLO. Experience in your games shows it usually leads to town wins.

[Dannflor]

Shoshin, can you link a scum game or two?

[Shoshin]

Shoshin are you mislynched as town?

I've been mislynched twice.

The first time, I was mislynched because of a faulty guilty result in a normal game.

The second time, I was mislynched at LYLO because of a troll who decided to vote me instead of obvscum NSG.

That said, I'm regularly scumread in my games. The scum usually try mislynching me because they think I'm an easy mislynch. Townies often think I'm scum as well. I'm very good at staying alive despite being scumread for days on end.

[Xtoxm]

also varsoon power mislynched you in sc2
that was hilarious
and that nightless game

[Shoshin]

Shoshin, can you link a scum game or two?

I have two scum games:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76221

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77970

I also have a 0% win rate as scum. I'm not good scum.

[Shoshin]

also varsoon power mislynched you in sc2
that was hilarious
and that nightless game

I didn't play Starcraft 2, that was the worst. I made a few early posts in that game but then my internet died so I wasn't around.

[Xtoxm]

I'm not good scum.

this is not true

[Shoshin]

I used to think I was good scum too, Xtox.

[Prince of Renais]

an interesting line of play that you've chosen.

[Shoshin]

I started rethinking the strength of my scum play when I realized I wasn't winning my scum games. I'm very good at getting townread as scum. I was the most townread player in Starcarft. But that's just one skill and it's not enough to win as scum. I learned from RC that it doesn't matter if people townread/scumread you, what matters is impacting the game in meaningful ways that win the game for your team.

[Prince of Renais]

ah. ok.

[Xtoxm]

i think i was the only player the genuinely sr you in sc1? you lost that game cus you were dealt a bad role
if you were any of the other 4 scum that won, you won that game
it wasnt the best setup

[Shoshin]

i think i was the only player the genuinely sr you in sc1? you lost that game cus you were dealt a bad role
if you were any of the other 4 scum that won, you won that game
it wasnt the best setup

I had multiple opportunities to win that game that I thought about during the game but failed to do.

1. Convincing Nancy to roleblock the worst on that fateful night when I was going to NUKE everyone. I kept thinking about asking her to do this, and the moment I was about to, the day ended. The result: I was blocked by the worst, preventing my NUKE and win.

2. Lynching Mitillos over Performer/Key. I could have made either of those three lynches happen. Lynching Performer/Key would have won me the game. Lynching Mitillos lost me the game. The key point I missed was that Mitillos couldn't be group scum for a number of reasons that I should have been paying attention to.

I take full responsibility for that loss. My ability to be townread brilliant, and I still believe that if I were scum, everyone in this game would be townreading me. But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.

[Shoshin]

Xtox, can you talk to us about this game? Why'd you vote PR?

[Prince of Renais]

you don't have to be able to see every eventuality to be good scum, or even very good scum, or even great scum.
there's very, very few people who are capable of playing around every eventuality. even most of this site's most renowned scum historically have lacked that ability.