Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Shoshin]

I considered making the specific moves I needed to make to win, so it feels like that loss was on me. I don't deny that I'm very good at being townread as scum, but I pushed the wrong lynches and that matters a lot to being good scum. I'm still learning.

[Prince of Renais]

i think you can have a solid 80%ish winrate off of solely having the ability to be townread. you're probably getting in more difficult than usual lobbies if it's working out for you that badly. although that normal you definitely deserved the powerlynch.

[Shoshin]

Oh yeah, that was when I sucked at everything about scum.

[Shoshin]

So are we going to talk about why you're lying about me, PR?

[Prince of Renais]

Let's talk about something else

[Shoshin]

How sure are we about town Buj?

[Prince of Renais]

not but I wouldn't lynch him over anyone I want to lynch more.

[NerfedBuJ]

I'm pretty sure Xtox townreads me because he's actually played with scum me. The only person in this game to do so.

I don't think I've played with town!you actually.

But even if I have, the game I do remember you were scum in it, so I for sure have played against scum!you.

Unless you mean scum partners?

[Prince of Renais]

when I said other things I mostly meant, like, not this game tbh.

[Xtoxm]

Xtox, can you talk to us about this game? Why'd you vote PR?

mainly because i dont want to play with him
i wouldnt want him in lylo anyway and yknow..no time like the present

[Prince of Renais]

i wouldnt want him in lylo anyway and yknow..no time like the present

this is what you have to look forward to if you aspire to scum mastery, by the by

[Shoshin]

Grapes wagon is just eh.

Is your problem with it Grapes or the people voting Grapes?

I already feel like people treat me that way so nothing new.

[Shoshin]

Oh, that quote shouldn't be there. I was looking at Lycan's stuff. Ignore.

[Xtoxm]

But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.

yeah, this is the correct position on 0% so i respect that
you can always do better but arso is like a super diffucult role to win with the bar is that much higher
main thing holding you back tbh is that you keep rolling town

[Prince of Renais]

i believe that i've already given you the advice that tryharding as scum will make your overall experience in mafia worse. i can't control how you feel about that but it's so, so not worth it in my view years later.

[Prince of Renais]

and it's not just me, i don't know of a single player with a highly recognized scumgame who isn't bitter and resentful of that fact.

[NerfedBuJ]

Alisae I will never be able to townread if she's alive in lylo, I'll be honest. Just haven't felt that anything she's done reflects how a townie should act if her claimed emotions are genuine.

honestly
I just don't think you've seen anyone go from engaged to dissengaged and then to engaged.

Of course I have.
It's that I don't buy that your original disengagement is real. Or if it is it comes from scum with shitty partners.

You're welcome to prove me wrong and start scumhunting for real. I am capable of changing my mind. But so far the best thing you've done has been to present a case that in its essence is a meta read on a friend. I would expect that in early day 1, like right after the replacement maybe, not 80 pages in, when the slot's replacement has posted a lot, when we've already lynched scum. And to be fair if FA is as close to you as you say wouldn't she specifically use this knowledge to try to fool you as scum?

In your heart of hearts do you honestly think you've posted enough to be townread? It's my first game with you and that's an expected hurdle but having people not comment on how easily you've been townread by at least 2 people is bugging me the hell out. Even if I'm wrong I just can't see how a townie can put you in the never lynch pile already.

Half the reason why I get suspected in all my games is that I hunt through scum pools and then transition to direct reads. People always interpret that as setting up mislynches because of their narrow pov of how to win town games.

[NerfedBuJ]

But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.

yeah, this is the correct position on 0% so i respect that
you can always do better but arso is like a super diffucult role to win with the bar is that much higher
main thing holding you back tbh is that you keep rolling town

What are you talking about.. Arso is easier to win as scum.. that's why the Town:Scum ratio is higher than a regular game.

[Prince of Renais]

this day phase versus day 1 feels like the godfather pt 2 vs the godfather pt 1.

[Alisae]

In your heart of hearts do you honestly think you've posted enough to be townread?

People are in fact townreading me so yes

[Xtoxm]

But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.

yeah, this is the correct position on 0% so i respect that
you can always do better but arso is like a super diffucult role to win with the bar is that much higher
main thing holding you back tbh is that you keep rolling town

What are you talking about.. Arso is easier to win as scum.. that's why the Town:Scum ratio is higher than a regular game.

this is in the context of solo 3p arso vs groupscum and town
this game has arsonists but is an unrelated coincidence

[Alisae]

If you are so confused on why people are townreading me, here, you like scumhunting, why don’t you ask them why?
I’m sure anyone who is townreading me can explain why they’re townreading me.
So you’re welcome to actively go out of your way to ask people why they are townreading me.

[NerfedBuJ]

I mean you didn't answer my question (I'm asking if you would townread you), but sure let's do that.

Rei and Prince and EE why are you townreading Ali?

That's the ones I remember. Maybe Jingle too.

Anyone else why are you townreading Ali?

[NerfedBuJ]

Like you realize they disrespect both your town game and your scum game by doing it and reduce the bar on every town player from this point forth.

Do nothing, say you're disengaged, get a free townread.

Because THAT'S when they townread you. Your case on FA didn't change anyone's read on you as far as I can tell. At least they see that post as NAI, so I guess I should be happy about that.

[Xtoxm]

btw who all said the thing about scum having given up is stupid or scum
scum dont give up d1
id still put it >50% scum win this game given all vanilla