Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I echo PR and Jingle

[Shoshin]

If this looks like my scum game, it's because I'm good at copying my town game as scum.

[Prince of Renais]

You're not.

But I wish you were more like scum you as town rather than the other way around

[Shoshin]

I hate mafia right now. It feels like no matter what I do, I can't win.

I'm the most townread player as scum in Starcraft & lose because of a random third party who won by suiciding.

I play to my town game perfectly as scum & lose because I guess I suck at mafia.

And now I'm lynched in my town games because I happened to copy my town game so perfectly as scum that now I'm lynched as town for playing towny.

And unlike RC, I'm not even winning my scum games.

What's even the point?

[Shoshin]

Not to mention how badly my town games have gone recently.

I have a winning game in geriatric get lost because I don't even know what happened.

And then I lose a town game where I didn't even get a chance to post once because a bunch of townies decided to quickhammer without letting me say anything.

This account is cursed.

VOTE: Shoshin

I'm moving on from this game and probably gonna stick to playing on my alts where I'm actually winning games.

[Jingle]

If it helps I enjoy playing with you and hope you enjoy playing with me. I know it probably doesn't.

[Shoshin]

It doesn't help, no. You think I'm a newbie who deserves to die as town because their scum game happens to look like their town game? What kind of logic is that?

[Shoshin]

It's like you've all forgotten how meta even works.

When someone looks similar to a recently completed scum game, it doesn't mean they're scum. It's just as plausible that they're really good at copying their town game as scum.

[Shoshin]

I guess because I always lose as scum it's just automatically assumed that I'm not capable of copying my town game.

[Dannflor]

You have two completed games as scum. That's not a sizable sample size in anyway. A 0% winrate literally means nothing, it could just be an anomaly, especially in an somewhat RNG-based, team-based game like mafia is.

That's why I don't believe this AtE about always losing as scum is genuine.

[Vedith]

Don't self vote.

[Shoshin]

It's three scum losses now.

Why shouldn't I self vote? I'm obviously getting lynched with the current state of thought in this game, there's no point delaying this.

[Vedith]

Because I believe in you \o/

[Prince of Renais]

It's not genuine

If you're town and you're really feeling like this then I am so sorry for contributing but I don't think this is actually you.

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Prince

[Vedith]

VOTE: Prince

[Dannflor]

Shoshin, if you're town you need to do a better job leaving your mark on the game before you're lynched. Your attempts at pushing Lycan have been half-hearted at best and obviously not very successful. If you have the energy still left for this game, build a case.

My reads haven't changed much from yesterday. I'm not lynching Vedith, DDL, or EE today unless it's me or them.

Lycan or Clem gives us the best shot of hitting scum. Gamma's still plausible scum. Xtox needs to be reevaluated given the extent of his lurking.

PR needs to be lynched if still alive at LYLO, especially if he continues to push mislynches.

At the very least, explain why Vedith and DDL are on your never-lynch list, considering they seem to be somewhat supported lynches. Like, you claim you've been scum hunting, but I don't see you actively trying to do anything today beyond feign a push towards Lycan.

[Prince of Renais]

There we go.

[Shoshin]

I don't make cases, Dann. Remember Suka? That was me.

[Vedith]

Dann we can be good friends just trust me \o/

[Shoshin]

I don't have any energy for this game because it doesn't matter what I say or do, everyone's always just going to sheep PR.

[Prince of Renais]

Do you want to Hydra with me for the next BoP?

[Vedith]

Okay sure.

[Jingle]

Do you want to Hydra with me for the next BoP?

Yes, but somehow I think being in a hydra and modding the same game might bring forth accusations of cheating.

[Shoshin]

Lycan's scum because his push on me earlier in the game was shit, his interactions around Grapes were awkward & unnatural (that random hesitant question to DDL, followed by calling Grapes "gross," just doesn't feel right), and then his fake hammer. Maybe he's town because everyone seems to townread him but I don't see it.

If Lycan's town, Clem's scum. Don't think that needs explanation.

DDL's town because he's reading the game closely. The way that he went to check your reasoning, Dann, on Buj -- that doesn't come from scum very often. It showed he was looking into what you were saying on a deeper level. There's other things but that alone should convince you.

Vedith's town because he's defending me, period. There's no reason for scum to defend me here. And maybe Vedith isn't town, I don't know, but I'm not lynching him today because at least he's doing the pro-town thing of trying to keep me alive.