Mini 2063 - Rapier Upick Shuffle [Game Over]

[Reality Check]

I feel like you're asking if I'm faking a scumread on you

Which doesn't make sense because I'm not scumreading you

No I mean are you doing something that I by all rights should pick up on immediately but currently are not

[RadiantCowbells]

No this is actually really simple Brigitte is scum

[implosion]

i think i'm willing to rethink brigitte at this point

[Parmigiano Reggiano]

Fractured I saw your question I'll answer when I get to A computer

[Parmigiano Reggiano]

@smiley is varsoon scum

[mbaki]

I change my mind I think Michael Scott is more townie than scummy, which drops GL in my books. I just skimmed / read Jingle's paragon game for a while, and they are clearly capable of power wolfing, so their content level this game isn't scum indicative, and what they have given isnt awful.

Not a hard town read but not really wanting to vote here today

[mbaki]

@smiley is varsoon scum

Well

i'm actually going to say no

VOTE: Brigitte

[Reality Check]

what's brigitte at atm

[mbaki]

no clue

[implosion]

Ank, can you be explicit about your current individual opinion on Brigitte?

[mbaki]

VC 1.7

Michael Scott (2): GuiltyLion, implosion
Alonzo (2): Michael Scott, Brigitte
Varsoon (2): Parmigiano Reggiano, mbaki
Fractured (1): Lovebird
Parmigiano Reggiano (1): Alonzo
implosion (1): Varsoon
Brigitte (1): Reality Check
mbaki (1): Fractured

Not Voting (4): JohnnyEnglish, [Keen], [Keen], RadiantCowbells

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 04:00:00)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Notes:

i like how

RC parried RC's Brigitte vote, then voted Brigitte herself

[implosion]

RC parried RC's Brigitte vote, then voted Brigitte herself

RC parried RC's vote for RC's neighbor, then RC voted RC's neighbor

[GuiltyLion]

Part of the stated suspicions on the slot are that the reads are forced, what do you think about

RC

and

mbaki's

position on us and

Parm

?

not sure which RC you're referring to here

I trust Reality Check in this game and I think everything they've said about soul reading you is genuine

Radiant I'm iffy on, but since I don't really have you as town I didn't mind him sheeping onto you, though the timing was odd as it felt like it was after you had already passed the first wave of scrutiny. and I don't see anything inherently wrong/scummy with the "they're defending another one of my scum reads" logic for why you look bad on Parm's slot - it's extremely similar to my initial feelings regarding MS - though I also think Parm is just town so I disagree with his conclusions here.

mbaki's position didn't really stand out to me? generally he's been hopping between you/Varsoon/Michael Scott and I like all of those votes so I haven't really had any issues with him lately.

Then why back off your push on us if you think paranoia is valid? I get your points on the

MS

read, but it feels disingenuous to push him off his stance on us if you agree with that.

I go after slots that are defending my other scummy slots all the time. If I can't vibe with the reasons someone is townreading someone else, especially if it's a slot I consider scummy, then my first thought is either scum defending a buddy or scum WKing a townie.

This question also feels uncomfortable to me, like you're trying to pigeonhole my play somehow? They made a read/post that strongly stood out to me as looking fundamentally fake, so I chased it. In some ways that's independent of how I feel about your slot. And while I stopped pushing for a wagon on you explicitly, it's not like I just wrote you off as town - I was/am in the process of re-evaluating my read on you and there's always other slots to pressure and engage with. Especially if I'm wrong in my early scum reads, I want to give people space to engage with others. see my latest interaction with MS as well

[GuiltyLion]

Do you have any reason to scumread the slot?

all their early posting felt forced/awkward to me, especially the mismatch between saying Enter's excited to play and then barely posting/engaging the next couple RL days after that

I've constantly felt they've been disengaged giving safe townreads but not making waves by way of pressure/scumreads

i still get that vibe but it's not something particularly indicative and I'm willing to shelve it if Reality Check thinks this is town Taly

[mbaki]

mbaki's position didn't really stand out to me? generally he's been hopping between you/Varsoon/Michael Scott and I like all of those votes so I haven't really had any issues with him lately.

you're going to love seeing me call varsoon and ms not scummy then

[GuiltyLion]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10811493



Johnny's ISO has very less filler and a lot of stances, and also attempts to rally a divided town, for example

I just don't see eye to eye with you this game I guess. "stances" aren't hard for scum to fake, it's whether those stances are genuine/town-serving that matters. he attempts to rally slots onto his desired lynch of choice, but I don't think it's a great lynch. and I think the MI6 agent persona he's using is an easy way to be charismatic and get townread while masking the fact that the arguments he's making are inherently weak

[GuiltyLion]

mbaki's position didn't really stand out to me? generally he's been hopping between you/Varsoon/Michael Scott and I like all of those votes so I haven't really had any issues with him lately.

you're going to love seeing me call varsoon and ms not scummy then

I can see the ms argument, still don't think Varsoon has done anything townie

[Reality Check]

Ank, can you be explicit about your current individual opinion on Brigitte?

town

but I'd rather take the heartbreak of lynching my town neighbor

over the game becoming essentially unplayable for me because RC warped the gamestate

[mbaki]

Varsoon read is one I shouldn't really comment on, which says about as much as I want to. Its not super strong but not a lynch I want today.

[Reality Check]

i still get that vibe but it's not something particularly indicative and I'm willing to shelve it if Reality Check thinks this is town Taly

the read is actually quite a bit more complex than that

but it essentially comes down to how I'm interpreting both of their playstyles/personalities and how they're interacting with each other and the game

I legitimately think a lot of the scumreads on that slot boil down to a quirk in Enter's personality

[mbaki]

I also think Enter/Me need more time playing and discussing things to gel a bit better, and most people can tell us apart with our posts, so I'm going to be very forward and give people tools to read this hydra.

You said this then only linked Taly's games. Please provide Enter recent games, particularly scum ones.

I don't think Enter's a very good player from reading Paragon, and they were town there, so I need to see their scum game. Taly is definitely the better of the two heads which means the head to sort is Enter.

[mbaki]

@RC, if you can't read Alonzo and don't think anybody can, that's yet another reason to lynch them.

[Reality Check]

Taly is definitely the better of the two heads which means the head to sort is Enter.

that's

not how this works

[Reality Check]

how did that quote end up like that

wtf

[mbaki]

Taly is definitely the better of the two heads which means the head to sort is Enter.

that's

not how this works

im sorting your slot off of you, not mastina. sorting the easier head to read is a perfectly valid way to sort hydras.

though i don't know either head of michael scott so i don't really care about that for them