Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Dannflor]

Like if it's Vedith/Shoshin, Vedith is already gonna get lynched before lylo no matter what basically. Shoshin, however, probably has the ability to stay alive and maybe win especially if PR gets NKed. The only winning play for that scum team is to make sure Shoshin stays alive at any cost.

I don't know why this is a point of debate for you Vedith if you're so sure Shoshin is town

[Vedith]

You think after the 1 time I defend a Scum buddy over getting them lynched loses me a Scum game that I do it again?

That wasn't at all what caused you to lose in that game, and in fact is part of why you managed to go as far as you did

That's not true at all.
If I lynched TL I wouldn't have had to push on Yumeko, I wouldn't have had to kill RC when I did. I wouldn't have had to kill you night 1.

It plays the game out 100% differently and imo is what lost it.

[Ankamius]

what's your read on the gamestate atm

Lotsa obvtown, open townsided setup. I'm bored, and have been, and it's gonna get me lynched soon.

well ok

what makes shoshin the best info lynch then

[Vedith]

I'd rather not, sorry.

Because your statement is false.
I will throw my Scum team under the bus before I defend them.
So what you're using here is false meta?

[Jingle]

I'm kinda interested in vedith more than shoshin at this point.

VOTE: vedith

[Reiuji Utsuho]

what makes shoshin the best info lynch then

In order for you to understand this you need to read... those pages.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@Aly:

Do you still need the case on Shoshin/State of People's reads/ Gamestate, etc... anything from me?

Where are you at?

[Prince of Renais]

I'd rather not, sorry.

Because your statement is false.
I will throw my Scum team under the bus before I defend them.
So what you're using here is false meta?

you're discussing 2057 right now where you defended your scumbuddy on D1.

[Jingle]

what's your read on the gamestate atm

Lotsa obvtown, open townsided setup. I'm bored, and have been, and it's gonna get me lynched soon.

well ok

what makes shoshin the best info lynch then

Multiple 1v1s and she's been the center of attention for >half the thread time.

[Vedith]

What

1 game I did the WK shit and they were not in it.
So to say they have experience of me white knighting my Scum buddy is false.

[Vedith]

you're discussing 2057 right now where you defended your scumbuddy on D1

You said with your experience with me.
That's not your experience with me.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I'm kinda interested in vedith more than shoshin at this point.

VOTE: vedith

Get back on the wagon, this is just cuz you're bored and you know it.

what's your read on the gamestate atm

Lotsa obvtown, open townsided setup. I'm bored, and have been, and it's gonna get me lynched soon.

well ok

what makes shoshin the best info lynch then

Multiple 1v1s and she's been the center of attention for >half the thread time.

she's pretty LAMIST, IMO. reads a lot like BoP

But yeah, Shoshin here is very similar to shoshin in BoP, and there are specific posts that I doubt town her makes, particularly while playing in that game.

But yeah, Shoshin here is very similar to shoshin in BoP, and there are specific posts that I doubt town her makes, particularly while playing in that game.

Essentially this

I take back saying that she doesn't try to work with me as town, I think that's unfair, but as scum she treats me how I want to be treated and as town she's too busy playing her own game. I'm fully capable of going into more detail on that but I felt that she was the same alignment between these games the entirety of BOP and the 1/8 odds of being scum in this game is unfortunately one of the reasons I wrote her off as a lynch in that one.

I don't plan on making that mistake twice

I echo PR and Jingle

[Ankamius]

@Aly:

Do you still need the case on Shoshin/State of People's reads/ Gamestate, etc... anything from me?

Where are you at?

your reads mainly and a rough estimation as to why for each of them

I think that would give me enough to get a feel for where your thoughts are at atm

[Prince of Renais]

in the interest of keeping a secret alt secret, I will not share my experience.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 2.5

Shoshin(4)

~ Alisae⁽⁷⁹⁾, Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁶¹⁾, Prince of Renais⁽¹²⁴⁾, Dannflor⁽¹⁰⁷⁾

Vedith(2)

~ DrDolittle⁽¹⁸⁾, Jingle⁽¹⁰⁷⁾

Jingle(2)

~ Shoshin⁽⁹²⁾, Vedith⁽⁴¹⁾

Alisae(2)

~ mcqueen⁽⁶⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽⁹⁾

Prince of Renais(1)

~ Xtoxm⁽⁹⁾

Dannflor(1)

~ Ankamius⁽²³⁾


Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald⁽⁰⁾, Clemency⁽⁰⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽⁸²⁾, Karmeleon⁽¹¹⁾

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 19:19:59)

Searching for a replacement for Shoshin.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Shoshin isn't trying to read the game and build cases => she asks questions but doesn't reach conclusions

and she's doing a lot to try to get activity townread

@Aly, I'll get to your post with a list of my posts that will probably help and some explanation in just a sec

[Vedith]

I don't know why this is a point of debate for you Vedith if you're so sure Shoshin is town

My debate isn't that I'm lynched on it, as I didn't argue the comments for that.
I just don't think you believe this.

[Vedith]

in the interest of keeping a secret alt secret, I will not share my experience.

Even if you were in that game. Are you saying that you are basing my entire play as Scum from that one game where I WK a Scum buddy and also heavily assisted in throwing my other Scum buddy under the bus?
I'm not buying that comment.

[Jingle]

Get back on the wagon, this is just cuz you're bored and you know it.

You're not my robot supervisor.

[Reiuji Utsuho]

I mean if you did it once, it means you are capable of doing again so...

[Dannflor]

That's not true at all.
If I lynched TL I wouldn't have had to push on Yumeko, I wouldn't have had to kill RC when I did. I wouldn't have had to kill you night 1.

It plays the game out 100% differently and imo is what lost it.

Okay, maybe. Regardless, this is a play that is certainly not out of the question for you to make. I know it's not outside your scum range. Whether or not you would make it in front of people who witnessed a similar play... Eh, that's a WIFOM rabbit hole.

Mostly, it comes down to the fact that I think it's probably one of the only plays scum

can

make given that team and the game state, added to the fact that I know you're capable of it.

[Vedith]

I mean if you did it once, it means you are capable of doing again so...

Doesn't change that it's fake meta.

[Ankamius]

Shoshin isn't trying to read the game and build cases => she asks questions but doesn't reach conclusions

are there any especially bad examples of this?

[Reiuji Utsuho]

What is "fake meta?"

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Shoshin isn't trying to read the game and build cases => she asks questions but doesn't reach conclusions

are there any especially bad examples of this?

I mean her ISO has very few particular conclusions in it, if that's what you're asking. 8-ball she was very decisive, picked stances and took them

the only memorable stance i remember getting from her this game is that I'm town. :/ It's particularly hard to prove the absence of something otherwise I'd get you qutoes