Mini 2065 - Access Point [Endgame]

[insomnia]

I have. My point was that I get sent today. On day 2 a vig shoots roster because he was the one who supported my vote without stating a reason and when he flips town, that clears me as town (or roster had bad reads and I'm scum, but, let's be honest). After vig shoots, they are confirmed 100% so they get sent day 2 and on day 3 it really doesn't matter who's sent because if we get to LyLo, we just lynch the last person. That was my plan.

If I'm pinging scum to you, vig can just shoot me since I suck anyways and that confirms roster as town so you can send him while keeping both you and NSG alive. One of you gets nked but we still have at least 1 experienced town.

[RadiantCowbells]

@_@

[northsidegal]

On day 2 a vig shoots roster because he was the one who supported my vote without stating a reason and when he flips town, that clears me as town (or roster had bad reads and I'm scum, but, let's be honest).

?????

[northsidegal]

why, uh

what if roster flips scum

like, why is he assumed to be town

[insomnia]

Because he's voting me and I'm not scum so

[insomnia]

Combination of guts and common sense

[northsidegal]

[insomnia]

What? If we go by the same logic, why are you assumed to be town and why should I vote for you? There's no reason for you to be so eager to go in the PT because then RC dies and there's a high chance we send 2 scum. If RC dies and he flips town, then his read on you is most likely good, courtesy of BoP. There's no reason I'd trust either you or RC and I'm not eager to send any of you just yet, there's no reason to. It's beneficial if we kept the both of you here for now. One of you gets nked, post-flip analysis will confirm the other as town / scum depending on the flip and whoever survives will help with town reads. If none of you get nked, then RC's probably scum who tried to put you, his scum bud, on the mission.

[insomnia]

So shoot me and vote roster to go on the mission after I flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, RC’s already looking town for me, don’t mind me while I read the setup again

I don’t think DrDo vs RC is a SvS / SvT, it’s most likely a TvT interaction, DrDo is willing to game solve, I understand where RC’s accusation comes from, he probably looks at DrDo like he’s trying to shut down the most pro-town strategy, I just believe he has a different approach tho

I thought you townread me?

[northsidegal]

What? If we go by the same logic, why are you assumed to be town and why should I vote for you? There's no reason for you to be so eager to go in the PT because then RC dies and there's a high chance we send 2 scum. If RC dies and he flips town, then his read on you is most likely good, courtesy of BoP. There's no reason I'd trust either you or RC and I'm not eager to send any of you just yet, there's no reason to. It's beneficial if we kept the both of you here for now. One of you gets nked, post-flip analysis will confirm the other as town / scum depending on the flip and whoever survives will help with town reads. If none of you get nked, then RC's probably scum who tried to put you, his scum bud, on the mission.

i've never said that i'm "assumed" to be town, although i do believe that my play so far has been town-indicative. do you believe that my argument for why i should be selected is just because RC voted for me and i'm not scum, similar to yours?

don't you think it's a little contradictory to in one sentence say that i would be town if RC is town courtesy of burden of proficiency, and then in the next line say that there's no reason that you would trust him? unless there's something that i'm missing there, that is. also, again – just like i said to RCE, i'm not townreading RC and my death would not confirm him as town.

i guess it seems to me like the points you're making with regards to yourself and rosterfoster should apply to almost any other pairing, but it seems like your reasoning is different for other people and i'm not sure why.

[insomnia]

Well, RC’s already looking town for me, don’t mind me while I read the setup again

I don’t think DrDo vs RC is a SvS / SvT, it’s most likely a TvT interaction, DrDo is willing to game solve, I understand where RC’s accusation comes from, he probably looks at DrDo like he’s trying to shut down the most pro-town strategy, I just believe he has a different approach tho

I thought you townread me?

Reads can't change?

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not townreading RC and my death would not confirm him as town.

feel free to keep your not-townread on me to yourself, thanks.

they can change, has your read on me changed?

[insomnia]

I still do but I can't be sure of you, since you are RC. So that's why I'd rather wait a night and see if you get nkd.

[RadiantCowbells]

i understand that fypov the safest play is to not depend on me being town. i'm not going to push myself in the access point pool if we're sending you in because I know you're way more likely to misvote me than anyone else that we can put in. just please stop bursting my happy generally townread bubble.

[insomnia]

i guess it seems to me like the points you're making with regards to yourself and rosterfoster should apply to almost any other pairing, but it seems like your reasoning is different for other people and i'm not sure why

So just because it can apply to other people that makes it wrong?

[RadiantCowbells]

I still do but I can't be sure of you, since you are RC. So that's why I'd rather wait a night and see if you get nkd.

what if I don't?

[insomnia]

don't you think it's a little contradictory to in one sentence say that i would be town if RC is town courtesy of burden of proficiency, and then in the next line say that there's no reason that you would trust him?

I actually don't, since you're misreping me. I said IF he FLIPS town, then you're town, but there's no reason for me to trust any of you at the moment BECAUSE none of you flipped. Where's the contradiction?

[insomnia]

I still do but I can't be sure of you, since you are RC. So that's why I'd rather wait a night and see if you get nkd.

what if I don't?

Then mafia is really taking wifom shots and want to mess with me, which would be silly given that I'm not an experienced player. Either that, or you're scum.

[insomnia]

From mafia's pov, you present a major threat to them because of your town game, so there's no reason for them to keep you alive. So, if you are alive, then you're most likely scum.

[northsidegal]

i'm not townreading RC and my death would not confirm him as town.

feel free to keep your not-townread on me to yourself, thanks.

they can change, has your read on me changed?

not like i'm going out of my way to bring it up.

i understand that fypov the safest play is to not depend on me being town. i'm not going to push myself in the access point pool if we're sending you in because I know you're way more likely to misvote me than anyone else that we can put in. just please stop bursting my happy generally townread bubble.

are you talking to me or insomnia?

i guess it seems to me like the points you're making with regards to yourself and rosterfoster should apply to almost any other pairing, but it seems like your reasoning is different for other people and i'm not sure why

So just because it can apply to other people that makes it wrong?

that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying that it seems to me like the logic you're using with regards to yourself would apply elsewhere, and yet you're not applying it elsewhere – and that's what i'm somewhat confused on.

don't you think it's a little contradictory to in one sentence say that i would be town if RC is town courtesy of burden of proficiency, and then in the next line say that there's no reason that you would trust him?

I actually don't, since you're misreping me. I said IF he FLIPS town, then you're town, but there's no reason for me to trust any of you at the moment BECAUSE none of you flipped. Where's the contradiction?

gotcha. (as an aside, i don't really think misinterpreting what someone said and actively acknowledging that i could be missing something as i did in the very next sentence can really be called "misrepping". not that it really matters, i guess.)

[RadiantCowbells]

are you talking to me or insomnia?

you.

[northsidegal]

when was the last time that i voted you? honest question, not trying to make a point.

[northsidegal]

i had you coalitioned in 833 and didn't vote you despite you pushing me as scum in mini 2036. was townreading you in micro 827 as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just going to not play this game because it's making me feel bad.

GL nsg.