Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Auro, please don't help Vedith out in explaining his thoughts.

You either work with me or I lynch you.
You have no leg to stand on with the last 2 lynches you led.

Scum reading is Scum 100%

[Shoshin]

Auro/Volx/SR/Chenn will vote you, Vedith. So actually, you have no leg to stand on.

[Auro]

Nonetheless shoshin is always the lynch today in all but one in 193948392002 possible situations i saw in the future

You're ignoring very strong evidence that scum!Shoshin never nominates herself given

Shoshin's

current state of mind generally; her lack of motivation isn't a lie. She just lost one scumgame, and for the rest part I can't talk about (you should figure out what to do).

[Vedith]

Auro/Volx/SR/Chenn will vote you, Vedith. So actually, you have no leg to stand on.

And if you're town then you get auto lynched tomorrow on another mis lynch.
If youre Scum you get auto lynched tomorrow on another mis lynch.

So given if your'e Scum both of your buddies are in that lot, I'm not getting lynched as scum you and i think that's the only way you survive today while refusing to work with town, is as scum.

[DoubtingThomas]

Nonetheless shoshin is always the lynch today in all but one in 193948392002 possible situations i saw in the future

You're ignoring very strong evidence that scum!Shoshin never nominates herself given

Shoshin's

current state of mind generally; her lack of motivation isn't a lie. She just lost one scumgame, and for the rest part I can't talk about (you should figure out what to do).

Why wouldnt she?

Old friend of mine once said when you ask yourself “why would scum do that?” Then thats the exact reason why they would do it

Its all wifom

[Shoshin]

I don't see any town tells from you, Vedith. Please point them out.

[Auro]

Why wouldnt she?

Old friend of mine once said when you ask yourself “why would scum do that?” Then thats the exact reason why they would do it

Its all wifom

Yeah but WIFOM's only ever a good tactic for scum to use if they can get away with it.
Also Shoshin's not a WIFOM driven scum player.

[Shoshin]

Nonetheless shoshin is always the lynch today in all but one in 193948392002 possible situations i saw in the future

You're ignoring very strong evidence that scum!Shoshin never nominates herself given

Shoshin's

current state of mind generally; her lack of motivation isn't a lie. She just lost one scumgame, and for the rest part I can't talk about (you should figure out what to do).

Why wouldnt she?

Old friend of mine once said when you ask yourself “why would scum do that?” Then thats the exact reason why they would do it

Its all wifom

This is how scum think.

Auro's talking about what's probable.

You're talking about what's possible.

Scum lead mislynches by arguing that town could be scum.

Town find scum by analyzing what's probable.

Why are you doing the former?

[Vedith]

I don't see any town tells from you, Vedith. Please point them out.

I don't need to point you to town tells.
Where are yours with the last 2 lynches?
Where is yours saying that Scum reading is town when this is his Scum game?

[Vedith]

Why wouldnt she?

Old friend of mine once said when you ask yourself “why would scum do that?” Then thats the exact reason why they would do it

Its all wifom

Yeah but WIFOM's only ever a good tactic for scum to use if they can get away with it.
Also Shoshin's not a WIFOM driven scum player.

Shoshin wants to win as Scum instead of keep losing. Why wouldn't she change her meta to meet that?

[Shoshin]

I'll put this another way.

The question, "why would scum do X," isn't the right question. The question you need to ask is, "what's the probability that scum do X." The probability that I self-nominate yesterday is 0%. The probability that I self-nominate today is similarly 0%.

Either way, it's clear that I'm town on that alone.

I'm also town because the way I'm playing never comes from scum me. It just doesn't.

That town case I made earlier never comes from scum me.

[DoubtingThomas]

Why wouldnt she?

Old friend of mine once said when you ask yourself “why would scum do that?” Then thats the exact reason why they would do it

Its all wifom

Yeah but WIFOM's only ever a good tactic for scum to use if they can get away with it.
Also Shoshin's not a WIFOM driven scum player.

I cant buy that she is town just based on the fact that she doesnt nominate herself. Whats townie about her play?

[Auro]

Shoshin wants to win as Scum instead of keep losing. Why wouldn't she change her meta to meet that?

I don't think scum!Shoshin would have predicted a reasonable prediction of winning by nominating herself, for one, after the Fusco townflip.

[Shoshin]

I don't see any town tells from you, Vedith. Please point them out.

I don't need to point you to town tells.
Where are yours with the last 2 lynches?
Where is yours saying that Scum reading is town when this is his Scum game?

I made a fucking town case with all my town tells this game.

Leading a mislynch just means I was wrong about something. I don't pretend to have 100% accuracy. Nobody has that.

[Auro]

Whats townie about her play?

I was convinced after her D2 self-towncase.
I haven't seen any rebuttals to that either.

[Vedith]

"I never do that as scum"
While desperate to win a Scum game therefore willing to change.

Want to talk about what town you does?
Tries for a 3rd mis lynch in a row? Is that standard meta for you?

[DoubtingThomas]

I cant play with people whose main strategy is to do x and then say i neevr do x as y alignment

Its just stupid

All words and no actions

[DoubtingThomas]

I never say that as scum btw.

[Shoshin]

This game is fucked anyway.

Alonzo's scum who will win or he's town who will lose us the game.

[DoubtingThomas]

I never vote the same person three days in a row as scum btw

[Vedith]

Shoshin wants to win as Scum instead of keep losing. Why wouldn't she change her meta to meet that?

I don't think scum!Shoshin would have predicted a reasonable prediction of winning by nominating herself, for one, after the Fusco townflip.

Why not? Shoshin is confident here that I am lynched over her.
What makes me more likely to nominate myself as the primary lynch target today?
I'd at least put Scum reading in too.

[Auro]

Want to talk about what town you does?
Tries for a 3rd mis lynch in a row? Is that standard meta for you?

I don't think D2 counts - can you walk me through how Volxen should be scum from Shoshin's perspective?

[Shoshin]

Lynch Vedith.

If he's town, lynch SR tomorrow.

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin, the only reason I don't replace out of this game is because I have respect for the integrity of the game of mafia and because I don't want to have my life affected by selfish people.

That doesn't mean I want to interact with you. As you have done all game long, I will ignore all your questions directed towards me. I will comment on your posts if I think it will help me understand the game more and advance game state. You can do the same, but please don't try to talk to me, as if you are interested in actually solving me. It looks hypocritic and it disgusts me. Have fun with the game

I never say this as scum btw

[Vedith]

Leading a mislynch just means I was wrong about something. I don't pretend to have 100% accuracy. Nobody has that.

How often does town you mis lynch 3 players in a row?
Serious question here.