Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Tohru]

That would be an awesome mechanic. Yeah, let’s swap horrible NMSA and Elbirn and bring back Brigitte and Xtoxm. I’m all for it.

I still think Elbirn is scum and NMSA is only town due to clear anti-partner associatives. Elbirn lied. He claimed to townlocked me, when the closest he ever got to that, is you can be town for now but if I sr you, we be cool crap.

But here we are.

We must look forward. I don't fault your scumread on Elbirn, I myself was suspicious on him on my first readthrough, but he seems genuine. Which is why I really want to get your attention to Succinct, who is a lot more deserving of your scrutiny, but instead he is just riding on Enter's coattails.

[Tohru]

He magically arrived at this readslist on his 3rd post.

Magically arriving with a readslist is my specialty, so dunno what to make here.

There's nothing wrong with magically arriving at readslists. But there is something rather dishonest if five posts later he claims that "I've explained all my reads".

Do you do dishonest things when you're town, Creature?

[Creature]

He magically arrived at this readslist on his 3rd post.

Magically arriving with a readslist is my specialty, so dunno what to make here.

There's nothing wrong with magically arriving at readslists. But there is something rather dishonest if five posts later he claims that "I've explained all my reads".

Do you do dishonest things when you're town, Creature?

I confess I sometimes end up lying simply because I didn't remember and didn't bother to check, but not intentionally (unless I had some kind of play to make).

[Creature]

I want to see how will Succinct answer to that though.

[Tohru]

He magically arrived at this readslist on his 3rd post.

Magically arriving with a readslist is my specialty, so dunno what to make here.

There's nothing wrong with magically arriving at readslists. But there is something rather dishonest if five posts later he claims that "I've explained all my reads".

Do you do dishonest things when you're town, Creature?

I confess I sometimes end up lying simply because I didn't remember and didn't bother to check, but not intentionally (unless I had some kind of play to make).

What would you say about someone who lied about explaining the reasoning behind his strongest scumread? Do you think he genuinely forgot?


What's your level of interest in a Succinct lynch?

[Tohru]

I want to see how will Succinct answer to that though.

I think from all the evidence I've seen (160 pages of game) it proves unequivocally and definitively to me that Succinct is guilty. Sure, we could cross examine the defendant, but I'm not sure what more we can learn that we couldn't from 160 pages.

[Tohru]

I'll be back tonight. Hope to get more interaction and engagement from members of the town regarding my push. Hoping for favorable responses.

[Creature]

What would you say about someone who lied about explaining the reasoning behind his strongest scumread?

usually would first re-ask their explanation and expect them to quote or repeat it

Do you think he genuinely forgot?

would say he believed he did explain somewhere

[Creature]

What's your level of interest in a Succinct lynch?

dunno

Not feeling like wagoning Succinct rn considering he's likely eating a prod first before returning

[Creature]

though, dunno, many players are like 1 day without posting

[northsidegal]

@mod, if game doesn’t end today, does scum get an NK, in addition to the escape?

Yes. This nightkill is mandatory.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 3.1

NotMySpamAccount (2):

Succinct 3373, Chara 3489

Nimueh (2):

Elbirn 3669, NotMySpamAccount 3834

Elbirn (2):

Nimueh 3755, tris 3789

xRECKONERx (1):

skitter30 3418

Succinct (1):

Tohru 3872

Not voting (2):

xRECKONERx, Creature

With 10 alive, it’s 6 to lynch. The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-31 02:45:59).

[Succinct]

i thought NMSA was clear because he almost hammered flub
is that not the case anymore

It was never the case.

Elbirn

Succint
Chara

NotMySpamAccount

tris
It's 5p LyLo, two of you are scum, the rest of us are treestumps. If you lynch someone wrong, you lose (not in practice, but let's do like this).

You already know my answer.

How is NMSA still alive over Brigitte and Xtoxm who were miles townier?

Good question.

NMSA
Succint
Elbirn

You seem to think I'm a double-busser.
I generally avoid bussing altogether.

I hate alts.

I take offense to that.
I do question the point in playing on an alt if you're playing identically to your main. (My gimmick's in my name. Speaking of...)

Sure. Apart from his abysmally low postcount, post quality, and thereby remarkably poor contribution to the game, I also have not been able to find a single reason to townread him in a 150-pager. Looking at his ISO, it's scummily-barren, he isn't trying to gamesolve or have the conviction that town would.

You're scumreading playstyle. Look at my name. It's my approach; deliberately minimalistic. I'm also a late-D1 replacement. I average 1 post/day. My game solving's in all my posts; I mostly only quote pertinent content. (Almost)

Everything

holds relevance.

But, I observed his lack of emotion and/or conviction in those posts [compare to NMSA], hinting that it may be indicative of a distancing attempt on a scumpartner who was already under fire (and therefore also the prime candidate to escape the game).

You apparently missed a few posts pushing Flubber significantly.
Of 29 posts, I pushed him in 9+ of them.
The ones not pushing him, most're establishing/defending/explaining townreads, or pushing NMSA, or pushing Elbirn.
I never let up on Flubber; my push on NMSA's been the same since D2.

[Succinct]

1. Flying under the radar, and 2. Lack of gamesolving.

You'll never find me active, least of all not now. (Knowing my main'd help know why I'm particularly inactive now.) My gamesolving's in establishing townreads more than establishing scumreads, but I've done both.

I'm aided by people engaging me, but them not doing so's out of my control. If people don't interact with what I post, then I don't have anything to follow through on.

You're making me miss Ank, because she's one of the few who

would

engage me.
Question my reasons for NMSA, question my reasons for Elbirn, question my townreads.

^This post is also a pretty bad look.

What about it's wrong?
The only possible scum mastermind's me, and I

know

that's not right.
Knowing this, scum didn't have one.
Knowing they didn't have one, scum're going to play more as individuals.
The average individual scum player shows high levels of self-preservation, more interested in personal survival than survival of scumteam.
I think given this setup, that trait's amplified.

Voting Flubber risked five players becoming conftown. Flubber had ~7 different voters at different time. They aren't all town. As a result, scum at some point did cast a bus vote, and I think they did it for precisely the reason I outlined above: an increased sense of self-preservation, leading to a decreased interest of survival of the scumteam.

Never NMSA who I think is town.

NMSA also has good reasons to be town (that i've actually looked at)

Remind me why.

[Succinct]

considering this is Succinct's only scumread, i wonder why they didn't go harder on it,

I can't go harder than I do.
You expect me to bs reasons?
I made my points.
They held.
Nobody engaged those points.
No new points were raised; nothing changed existing points.
What more

could

I have done?

Honest question, because I genuinely could use the feedback from the answer.
What you saw

was

me trying.
If my trying wasn't good enough, tell me what needed to be better.

or consider

why

scum Flubber decides to try and live another day for seemingly no reason.

I was tired, I was exhausted, I was dejected. It wasn't worth the effort. I knew he wasn't getting lynched. I wasn't happy he wasn't getting lynched, but nothing I said or did would change it. I couldn't argue we should lynch him in spite of the claim, because from a theory standpoint we

should've

let him live, and I

knew

that theory.

How would you feel knowing the correct theoretical play's to let your scumread live, in spite of a bs claim?

Enter has only been in the game for a fraction of its duration

Actually, this time you're mistaken.
Enter was in the game for 75 pages.
I've been in the game for 78 pages.
Page-wise, we've been around an equal amount.

Succinct is extraordinarily scummy and therefore we can infer that he is arguably a lot worse at hiding his alignment than Enter.

For those who know my identity:

I would really appreciate it if you helped me with the Succinct push.

I would really appreciate it if you dropped your one incorrect read to push the correct NMSA/Elbirn combo.

[Succinct]

in a replacement situation you should always aim to read the easier and more transparent slot, not the one which is better at scum.

By that metric, you'd be reading Enter, because

I

am the slot that's better at scum.

As for Elbirn I acknowledged that I am biased against his way of playing.

And yet the thought didn't occur to you you're biased against mine?

NMSA has demonstrated strong town flashes during the course of the game.

Show them.

[Succinct]

How is it townie? Enter is shadethrowing and discrediting Reck who is one of my top townreads currently.

can you convince me on Reck being town?

I can.

Read 2551. The analysis there was solid.
While he reversed his read on Flubber, the way he did so indicates they're not scumbuddies. 2552 wouldn't be town without 2551 prior, but with it, it shows a strong indication he's not scum. Why would scum start to set up for a distance with their scumbuddy, only to immediately hard-reverse it into defense?

Stances in 2560 were original, and not sheeping the thread consensus.

Plus this:

i have been very clearly off the mark and got got by flubber's random play
i need to reevaluate this game. i still think tris is a good lynch but after the flub flip i dont feel so great about my ability to read anyone.

like i can't even argue with people wanting to lynch me. my defense of flubber looks really really bad and i cannot defend it because it was shit based on gut. and couple that with me leading the brigitte charge d1 and yeah, i get the desire to lynch me. im not even sure i particularly have it in me to fight the lynch because it's deserved.

I know scum

can

post this.
I don't think scum-Reck

does

.

Still holds.

[Succinct]

Succinct is only ever replying to people

Naturally, because

that's my playstyle

.
Especially as a replacement who didn't read content prior to replacing in.
All I

had

was replying to people to generate content.

Does nobody actually see the problem with being only reactive rather than proactive?

Naturally, because

there is none

.

and never putting forth his own pushes and arguments.

Just because arguments pushed are in walls doesn't mean they aren't there.

Has Succinct ever explained his Flubber scumread?

It's in

the very post you quoted

:

Like I remember he was in my scum pool but fucked if I know why anymore

Experience says odds're slot's scum.

Ank was talking about Flubber.
Someone who's in the scum pool yet you don't remember why is usually scum; doubly so when said someone's a player like Flubber.
If anyone had

asked

me about this at the time, I'd happily have said as much.
Nobody did, but I can't control that, can I?

No explanation was ever given for Flubbernugget and Brigitte scumread.

The Brigitte read was also explained:

Not much time to post, but skitter is a strong townread, and it should be easier for everyone else to see now why Nim and Brig are scum.

Not convinced on Nimueh, but skitter-town/Brigitte-scum, can see.

Context: skitter made this post after I replaced in:

the elbirn wagon was: brigitte, chara, xtoxm, nimueh
my gut says that there's prob scum in the elbirn voters, probably in this order of likeliness: nimueh >

brigitte

= chara > xtoxm

My post was saying, "I think Nimueh's town, and the scum on Elbirn was Brigitte".

Succinct explanations != no explanations.

[Succinct]

How would you feel knowing the correct theoretical play's to let your scumread live, in spite of a bs claim?

I should also emphasize: how would you feel, as a person who prides themselves on theory, that the correct theoretical play's to let your largest scumread live, in spite of a bs claim?

I knew the correct theoretical play was letting him live.
And I was feeling defeated because of it.

[Succinct]

I hate alts.

I do question the point in playing on an alt if you're playing identically to your main.

On this note, Tohru, I'm hoping you're not on the blacklist of any player in the game (as you might be if you're who you obviously are), because no offense, I'd rather any of them than you.

[Succinct]

Succinct is only ever replying to people

Naturally, because

that's my playstyle

.
Especially as a replacement who didn't read content prior to replacing in.
All I

had

was replying to people to generate content.

For reference, I've three completed games; all as a replacement; in all, I'm bottom post-wise.

Replying's how I scumhunt.

[xRECKONERx]

that wasn't very succinct

[Nimueh]

Can you please link/quote where this happens?

Enter did make pushes. He pushed me really hard for bad reasons but I tr his conviction in those pushes. However, it wouldn’t be the first time two players from the same slot had contrary reads on me. I was in a recent game where a scumslot put a really bad vote on me and then their replace in, put me as their #1 town.

Please pay very close attention to 3903. I think Chara might have explained it better than I can.

Alright, this is a damn good catch. He is far too certain of the claim being false and he should have tried to push for Flubber lynch, if he was that certain.

Okay, Chara probably town then. I still think Elbirn is scum though.

[Nimueh]

That would be an awesome mechanic. Yeah, let’s swap horrible NMSA and Elbirn and bring back Brigitte and Xtoxm. I’m all for it.

I still think Elbirn is scum and NMSA is only town due to clear anti-partner associatives. Elbirn lied. He claimed to townlocked me, when the closest he ever got to that, is you can be town for now but if I sr you, we be cool crap.

But here we are.

We must look forward. I don't fault your scumread on Elbirn, I myself was suspicious on him on my first readthrough, but he seems genuine. Which is why I really want to get your attention to Succinct, who is a lot more deserving of your scrutiny, but instead he is just riding on Enter's coattails.

I dunno, I think Chara’s AtE seems genuine, where as Elbirn’s is just posturing. The only thing that gives me possible pause about it, is would scum!Elbirn really be that nasty? Would he really employ character assassination as a method to mislynch me? I’ve witnessed scum do it, so meta reads would be most useful in that regard. Like I know for me, I wouldn’t do that as scum but I’ve seen it happen and been on the receiving end of it.

[Nimueh]

@mod, if game doesn’t end today, does scum get an NK, in addition to the escape?

Yes. This nightkill is mandatory.

So, scum must have known there would be NKs after D3.