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[themilkcartonkid]

What Locke just described is frowned upon and banned in many games I've played. The rules will say something like "do not replace out for strategy"

[nomnomnom]

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

[Locke113]

What Locke just described is frowned upon and banned in many games I've played. The rules will say something like "do not replace out for strategy"

Didn't mean it in the sense the player who replaces out did it on purpose, more it was a legit ragequit and their partners take advantage of the opportunity

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

[GrandWazoo]

@Grand Wazoo, could you define what pings you about this post. Seems like you might have skimmed this one

It's all of a piece with 38 41 and 44. I can't find a single reason why town would play this "guess my main" game. I can think of a very good reason why scum would. Even when directly asked about it, she ducks 205.

[nomnomnom]

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

I'm curious, care to detail? I want to know your thoughts on the Alac wagon as a whole.

[Locke113]

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

I'm curious, care to detail? I want to know your thoughts on the Alac wagon as a whole.

Went into it a bit in 269 though I don't think I mentioned that the speed of the wagon is also alarming to me, it manifested from no votes on alacrity to L-2 within the space of 24 hours on grounds that are shaky at best in my opinion. Ironically while you are my strongest scumread apart from insomnia/eragon, your creation of the wagon feels more genuine than the rest joining who either gave no reason(n_m) or very little(PP,GW). Also if I'm wrong and this ain't a scum driven wagon and alacrity is scum, I feel that would reverse my read on you

[themilkcartonkid]

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

I'm curious, care to detail? I want to know your thoughts on the Alac wagon as a whole.

Went into it a bit in 269 though I don't think I mentioned that the speed of the wagon is also alarming to me, it manifested from no votes on alacrity to L-2 within the space of 24 hours on grounds that are shaky at best in my opinion. Ironically while you are my strongest scumread apart from insomnia/eragon, your creation of the wagon feels more genuine than the rest joining who either gave no reason(n_m) or very little(PP,GW). Also if I'm wrong and this ain't a scum driven wagon and alacrity is scum, I feel that would reverse my read on you

So why not pp and gw.? What was it about the initiation, because I think it was the follow up

[Locke113]

Do you mean why aren't they my top scumreads?

[nomnomnom]

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

I'm curious, care to detail? I want to know your thoughts on the Alac wagon as a whole.

Went into it a bit in 269 though I don't think I mentioned that the speed of the wagon is also alarming to me, it manifested from no votes on alacrity to L-2 within the space of 24 hours on grounds that are shaky at best in my opinion. Ironically while you are my strongest scumread apart from insomnia/eragon, your creation of the wagon feels more genuine than the rest joining who either gave no reason(n_m) or very little(PP,GW). Also if I'm wrong and this ain't a scum driven wagon and alacrity is scum, I feel that would reverse my read on you

About Alacrity herself, you said in 266 that she was a scumlean for you. Do you still think that? I think I need this to understand your whole mindset here.

[themilkcartonkid]

I mean, what was it about noms initiation that made you think scum-lead rather than opportunistic scum hop on?

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, after thinking about it some more, VOTE: PP
This makes way more sense to me. Sheeping from post 1 and being too agreeable with everyone

[themilkcartonkid]

Pardon, UNVOTE: VOTE: penguinpower

[Locke113]

About Alacrity herself, you said in 266 that she was a scumlean for you. Do you still think that? I think I need this to understand your whole mindset here.

She is certainly still a possibility, and ironically I feel that if she does get hammered, it will help me solidify my reads on most of the active players in this game so far, though since the wagon gives the feeling of being scum-driven and I don't see a scum motivation to bus their partner when their partner wasn't even being voted by anyone or was only be voted by 1/2 people, I currently feel she's more likely to flip town. And I don't like the idea of letting a townie get lynched just to help my reads/

I mean, what was it about noms initiation that made you think scum-lead rather than opportunistic scum hop on?

Well by nature of the fact nom initiated it would mean it couldn't be just a hop on, and I was already scumreading nom to begin with. This doesn't mean I don't suspect PP/GW just I have but one vote and with this many people there can only be 2/3 scum maximum

[nomnomnom]

About Alacrity herself, you said in 266 that she was a scumlean for you. Do you still think that? I think I need this to understand your whole mindset here.

She is certainly still a possibility, and ironically I feel that if she does get hammered, it will help me solidify my reads on most of the active players in this game so far, though since the wagon gives the feeling of being scum-driven and I don't see a scum motivation to bus their partner when their partner wasn't even being voted by anyone or was only be voted by 1/2 people, I currently feel she's more likely to flip town. And I don't like the idea of letting a townie get lynched just to help my reads/

Alright, I think I see your viewpoint clearly now. Thanks!

[Alacrity]

Which slot do you believe is doing this?

I have the impression that nomnomnom is an overeager town looking to start a push. PenguinPower can go either way, but I could see town hopping on the way he had!

Unless there is a reason you have to suspect it beyond that, I do not think there is much more to it!

Well I scumread nom soooooo.

Though if you do flip scum then that probably clears her as it would be weird being the one to literally start a wagon by yourself on your partner just to bus them.

We will have to agree to disagree on PP there, especially since he had his vote on Insomnia/Eragon whose wagon was the biggest and seemed to at least scumlean that slot from what I can tell from his posts. It doesn't even make since to me if he scumreads you too because why switch from one scum to another when you already have the other scumread at L-2?

This actually does not answer my question. An existing scumread on a slot is not actually a reason by itself to suspect any specific action, each action must be judged either by itself or compared to the entire game whether it is a scummy move or not. I had a preexisting scumread on nomnomnom before that initial vote, but I believe that the push itself is more likely to come from a town mindset than a scum mindset. Therefore, my read on them is now leaning more towards town than scum. To be exact, they are actually a reasonably strong townread. I hope this better explains what I mean with that question. =)

In response to your question for me, read strength is not the only thing that makes any one push better or worse than the other. You also must factor in things like activity of the wagoned players, overall game activity, town's overall read on the wagoned slots, momentum of the pushes, the town's willingness to change wagons, and other things I am currently not remembering. It helps further the game more to vote for a scumread that ticks more of those boxes than the one that is necessarily your strongest scumread.

I do scumread PenguinPower for other reasons, but the hop onto the wagon is not an addition to that scumread.

What makes you think this wagon is led by town, if anything this feels like scum making use of the replace out to get votes of their partner

Which slot do you believe is doing this?

I have the impression that nomnomnom is an overeager town looking to start a push. PenguinPower can go either way, but I could see town hopping on the way he had!

Unless there is a reason you have to suspect it beyond that, I do not think there is much more to it!

"Screw this...let's start a brand new wagon"

Why?

Because I'm fairly confident she's scum. She was already in my reads list but that unvote screws with my mind too much.

That timing on her not answering and vanishing all of a sudden is also something that makes me confident about this. I honestly don't care if this is a new wagon. She's scum.

Sure.

VOTE: Alacrity

Don't like this exchange, questions nom's vote in a way that suggests disapproval, nom gives because she's already on my scumlist and she didn't answer me quick enough basically and that's enough?

The worst part about this wagon is that Alacrity is def a scumlean for me but this wagon has manifested in a way that makes me feel uneasy about putting my vote there now

I believe you are getting stuck at the reason for the wagon. =)

I do not believe it was meant to be a slam dunk case, I believe it was meant to be a pressure wagon more than a wagon meant to result in a lynch. That is why I believe it is likely that the later votes are the scum votes if there are any here!

Although I am townreading nom for being newbie and an easy lynch i will say that she could easily be trying to push for a lynch by grasping for straws. Especially how she said "this is scummy" and then "yeah... this is scummy," and votes in a second post later. Could be testing the waters.

I think you're right about it being followed by scum though. I think VOTE: grandwazoo is a good guess at scum, but I dont know if it's the most useful vote. I dont have a better alternative yet.

One thing I did want to note is that eragon mentions nom A LOT in their catch up. I feel like that's significant, but I could have shared glasses on rn. Overall wasn't impressed with eragon catch up.

I am curious about one thing in regards to this post.

Why would you call GrandWazoo a good guess for scum, but then immediately say it's not the most useful vote? That speaks to two different motivations to me.

DK if I’ve missed anything but I couldn’t see a reason for Grandwazoo vote? Please tell.

Reminder that Insomnia is scum.

Grandwazoo is the most likely scum on my wagon. =)

It's the mix of not liking her first messages, unvote and timing on the vanish.
Also honestly I come from a chat mafia background. Timing is basis of a lot of my reads because of this, it's just common sense to me.

Keep in mind, I am playing on an alternate account for this game. I also post on my phone a good deal of the time, which means I have to switch accounts every time I want to post on Alacrity. I do not want to accidentally post on one of my other accounts in this game or post on this account anywhere else on the site, so the safest method for me is to log out of the account every time I make a post. This is not a big deal on my computer where I can have multiple accounts signed in at once, but it creates a barrier that I must account for every time I want to post while I am away from my computer. This is the reason I stopped posting here when I did, I was engaging with you while I was getting ready to go to bed, but after I had left my computer for the night.

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No, it doesn't. However, there is one thing that it does do. It shows that I'm less willing to want PenguinPower lynched at the moment!

That bit was not present in your unvote post or the following ones, why did you omit this?

I actually did mention this, twice. It was with different wording, yes, but it means essentially the same thing.

@Grand Wazoo, could you define what pings you about this post. Seems like you might have skimmed this one

It's all of a piece with 38 41 and 44. I can't find a single reason why town would play this "guess my main" game. I can think of a very good reason why scum would. Even when directly asked about it, she ducks 205.

I don't understand why scum specifically would engage that point the way I did, but town would not. I thought that entire engagement was self-evident, so it is entirely possible that something got lost in translation.

I did not answer your question because there really is not any reason to. Revealing why I want this alt to be secret would be counter-productive, as it would drastically reduce the amount of players that it can apply to. I quite like this alt, I would like to keep using it. =)

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

I'm curious, care to detail? I want to know your thoughts on the Alac wagon as a whole.

Went into it a bit in 269 though I don't think I mentioned that the speed of the wagon is also alarming to me, it manifested from no votes on alacrity to L-2 within the space of 24 hours on grounds that are shaky at best in my opinion. Ironically while you are my strongest scumread apart from insomnia/eragon, your creation of the wagon feels more genuine than the rest joining who either gave no reason(n_m) or very little(PP,GW). Also if I'm wrong and this ain't a scum driven wagon and alacrity is scum, I feel that would reverse my read on you

I have a reasonable amount of experience playing chat mafia, enough to have a general basis for the differences between how it is played compared to forum mafia, especially on this site. I strongly doubt that a player with that little experience in forum mafia would come to a new site and make a push like this after their aggressive prodding throughout the game beforehand as scum. I suspect nomnomnom is generally an aggressive player as both alignments. As a result, I expect that the main sticking points for how to accurate read the slot is to look at what they're pushing and whether they're trying to look busy or get actual reactions. Now that I have enough context to understand the fundamentals behind how nomnomnom plays, at least relative to my read on their personality, I believe this is firmly in the town alignment territory of that playstyle.

It is quite safe to call them town from this push even without my flip.

I can also tell you, from experience, that not_mafia is not a player that you can judge that simply. It is usually safe to avoid trying to read not_mafia until you have enough flip information to be able to tell roughly what he is thinking throughout his posting.

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nomnomnom: What do you currently think of the rest of the players on your wagon relative to the wagon itself? It's notable that most of the off-wagon players that have commented on the wagon since it sprung up has indicated that they believe scum are somewhere on the wagon. I also personally believe that this is quite interesting when compared to the other members of the wagon. PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote, Grandwazoo responded to the scumreads and concerns they gathered from the vote, and not_mafia, well, he doesn't talk very much. =)

[PenguinPower]

Also, after thinking about it some more, VOTE: PP
This makes way more sense to me. Sheeping from post 1 and being too agreeable with everyone

I hope you don't really believe what you just wrote...

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote

I did no such thing.

And that's probably all I'm going to read from that massive, unnecessary WoT.

[PenguinPower]

Also, the spoiler tags exist for a reason.

[PenguinPower]

We will have to agree to disagree on PP there, especially since he had his vote on Insomnia/Eragon whose wagon was the biggest and seemed to at least scumlean that slot from what I can tell from his posts. It doesn't even make since to me if he scumreads you too because why switch from one scum to another when you already have the other scumread at L-2?

Hi, friend. It's D1 - I don't have strong reads on anyone.

Wagon analytics are helpful later in the game. I wonder why I did what I did...



Interesting to note which wagon n_m decided to hop on. Make note of that.

[Alacrity]

PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote

I did no such thing.

And that's probably all I'm going to read from that massive, unnecessary WoT.

These are all your posts from Grand's vote up until just now.

You somehow wanted to vote there but in the absence of a response decided that you didn't?

UNVOTE: PenguinPower

I will wait for Eragon to catch up and to let my thoughts settle before voting again!

This is why ya'll are voting alacrity?

No, thank you.

I had alacrity and nomnomnom mixed. I want nomnomnom or GW I think

nom^3's reasoning is on this page if you are confused.

Not sure how you had the two mixed.

p-edit

hmm...

Back tomorrow...night.

If you are referring to the "hmm... Back tomorrow...night." thing, then can you unpack it for me, please?

Otherwise, I am not seeing it.

[PenguinPower]

?

Just because I didn't address it directly doesn't mean I didn't see it/was ignoring it.

[Alacrity]

?

Just because I didn't address it directly doesn't mean I didn't see it/was ignoring it.

Then the overall point stands, does it not?

[PenguinPower]

It does not unless you expect everyone to respond to everything posted less they be accused of ignoring it.

[PenguinPower]

damn autocorrect

[PenguinPower]

I guess you could say "PP did not address the GW vote" and be accurate though. Explain the scum intent there if that's the direction you want to go.