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[Alacrity]

I guess you could say "PP did not address the GW vote" and be accurate though. Explain the scum intent there if that's the direction you want to go.

It was not actually a point towards you being scum, it was a point as part of a contrast between the wagon and the players off the wagon!

[PenguinPower]

Ah...as I said, I'm not going to read the massive WoT so apologies if that was addressed in there.

[nomnomnom]

Text... text... I'm drowning in text...

[nomnomnom]

nomnomnom: What do you currently think of the rest of the players on your wagon relative to the wagon itself? It's notable that most of the off-wagon players that have commented on the wagon since it sprung up has indicated that they believe scum are somewhere on the wagon. I also personally believe that this is quite interesting when compared to the other members of the wagon. PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote, Grandwazoo responded to the scumreads and concerns they gathered from the vote, and not_mafia, well, he doesn't talk very much. =)

Honestly? I have no clue. These three players are on my ??? list for a reason.
Like, sure, some people proposed that for example GW had little reasons to jump on this, but at the same time, why would scum jump on this brand new wagon? Just to cause their partner unnecessary trouble? It makes no sense to me.

To me this wagon needs to age more, otherwise I'm not comfortable saying who is town or scum on this wagon.

[Locke113]

This actually does not answer my question. An existing scumread on a slot is not actually a reason by itself to suspect any specific action, each action must be judged either by itself or compared to the entire game whether it is a scummy move or not. I had a preexisting scumread on nomnomnom before that initial vote, but I believe that the push itself is more likely to come from a town mindset than a scum mindset. Therefore, my read on them is now leaning more towards town than scum. To be exact, they are actually a reasonably strong townread. I hope this better explains what I mean with that question. =)

My mention of already scumreading nom was in response to which slot I believed might be doing the pushing, I probably should have provided my feelings about their actual initiation of the wagon more clearly and properly explained them in the same post but I usually mention these things when asked rather unsolicited, though I see now that such a question was implied even if you didn't implicitly ask for further explanation.

As for your point about your own experience with chat mafia and nom's play, I will have to defer to your expertise there as I have no experience myself in that regard. I will also grant that as I have said, nom's initiation of the wagon is the only part that feels at all genuine to me about the wagon so I shall take another look through her ISO and keep an open mind. No guarantees I'll change my mind though, I am a stubborn bastard.

Also I also only mentioned not_mafia in regards to his lack of giving a reason to vote, I do not pretend to have a clue about his alignment as his apparent quick-hammering habits clearly suggest a style of play that just makes no sense to me at all

[Locke113]

Like, sure, some people proposed that for example GW had little reasons to jump on this, but at the same time, why would scum jump on this brand new wagon?

I wonder indeed, maybe someone, probably a very intelligent

and

very handsome fellow, has already suggested a reason for such behaviour?

[ChibiBear]

VC

[PenguinPower]

I wonder indeed, maybe someone, probably a very intelligent and very handsome fellow, has already suggested a reason for such behaviour?

Modest too.

Point to it for me?

[Alacrity]

nomnomnom: What do you currently think of the rest of the players on your wagon relative to the wagon itself? It's notable that most of the off-wagon players that have commented on the wagon since it sprung up has indicated that they believe scum are somewhere on the wagon. I also personally believe that this is quite interesting when compared to the other members of the wagon. PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote, Grandwazoo responded to the scumreads and concerns they gathered from the vote, and not_mafia, well, he doesn't talk very much. =)

Honestly? I have no clue. These three players are on my ??? list for a reason.
Like, sure, some people proposed that for example GW had little reasons to jump on this, but at the same time, why would scum jump on this brand new wagon? Just to cause their partner unnecessary trouble? It makes no sense to me.

To me this wagon needs to age more, otherwise I'm not comfortable saying who is town or scum on this wagon.

I'm asking because your reads, assuming they haven't changed since your list, should make this current gamestate a red flag for you. =)

Sharing my reads so far, from scummiest to obvtown. This is more for my own clarity of mind though

Likely-scum list

1. Alacrity: Already explained. I want you lynched today.
2. Lovebird: Lots of townreads and asking for someone to vote is by experience something scums do. Scumbird.

??? list

3. Eragon: Insomnia was a scumlean on my list, but he replaced out, so I guess we're here with you
4. urap: Honestly my read on you has already changed a few times this game so I'm not comfortable giving definitive thoughts on you. I feel there's definitely something there, though.
5. Not_Mafia: I hate how you play, but I'd be lying if I said I had a strong conviction on your alignment.
6. PenguinPower: If I had to give you an alignment it would be "neutral neutral" for how non-committed everything you do is. Biggest ??? in my mind so you earn the middle spot.
7. GrandWazoo: Saw nothing that attracted my attention, aside what urap underlined about you.
8. themilkcartonkid: You don't post often, no reasons to think you're scum right now. None to think you're town either, though, so heh.

Likely-town list

9. rosterfoster: In my experience, people that hardcore tunnel tend to be town. Hope you open to other to what people are saying, though, you're deep in the bias.
10. Locke113: Towniest player in this game. Sensible in what he does. Seems to have an internal logic. I like it.

The other three slots you have sorted are the three slots that have indicated that they believe I am town. I will grant that rosterfoster has not commented on me or the wagon since its inception, and Lovebird has not posted at all in almost three days, however.
Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, and GrandWazoo all think I am scum or at the very least wagonworthy.
themilkcartonkid and u r a person 2 think the wagon is scummy.
Eragon has not given any indication that he has reached this point of the game in his catch up as of yet.

Does this help read the wagon at all? It should be easier to judge each individual reaction from this angle.

[nomnomnom]

Like, sure, some people proposed that for example GW had little reasons to jump on this, but at the same time, why would scum jump on this brand new wagon?

I wonder indeed, maybe someone, probably a very intelligent

and

very handsome fellow, has already suggested a reason for such behaviour?

hahaha
I guess you're right though, that's a possibility. But even if we go with that theory, you could argue that the three people joining my Alacrity wagon could have that intention, so it does not really solve my problem here.

[Locke113]

This post confuses me. Conspiracy theory levels right there.

Well what else can I say but it ain't paranoia if they're really out to get you. Also its not like its that out there of a thought process, replace outs can stall the progress on a wagon on that slot for multiple reasons. Firstly, people might respond like urap and feel this is a alignment indicative move and find it townie. Secondly, with the player now gone they can no longer shoot themselves in the foot by saying more incriminating things and their replacement has to be given a certain amount of leeway at first because they have to catch up. This means all the stuff to point out the person is scum has already been said and the more time that people on the wagon have to wait, the more likely they are to doubt whether this stuff is actually scummy at all or whether they were just imagining shit.

This serves as a perfect opportunity for a scum partner to either A. Prepare to bus the living fuck out of their partner, possibly going so far as hammering their partner before their replacement even catches up or B.

Start a completely new wagon/start pushing a much smaller wagon to draw attention away from their scum partner.

It's not really conspiracy theory levels, at least not on the level of reptilians, which are totally real

@PP bolded for emphasis

[Locke113]

I guess you're right though, that's a possibility. But even if we go with that theory, you could argue that the three people joining my Alacrity wagon could have that intention, so it does not really solve my problem here.

If you're not scum then I would say scum is either more likely to be found in one of PP and GW than n_m. n_m doesn't seem active enough to fit the bill for the kind of scum to pull that sort of trick

[nomnomnom]

@Alacrity 333 feels like you are trying to force my hand way too hard. I'm already aware this game has a lot of question marks all over, and that those "should be a red flag". This is why I'm not forcing my judgement on this. I need time.

I guess you're right though, that's a possibility. But even if we go with that theory, you could argue that the three people joining my Alacrity wagon could have that intention, so it does not really solve my problem here.

If you're not scum then I would say scum is either more likely to be found in one of PP and GW than n_m. n_m doesn't seem active enough to fit the bill for the kind of scum to pull that sort of trick

You are talking about a player that has not said a single game-relevant thing since the beginning. That's honestly mind boggling you'd say something like this.
And if you say "this is how he plays", you are highlighting exactly why he drives me insane

[PenguinPower]

This serves as a perfect opportunity for a scum partner to either A. Prepare to bus the living fuck out of their partner, possibly going so far as hammering their partner before their replacement even catches up or B. Start a completely new wagon/start pushing a much smaller wagon to draw attention away from their scum partner. It's not really conspiracy theory levels, at least not on the level of reptilians, which are totally real

At the time, weren't there only vanity wagons otherwise? I mean, yes these are two opportunities for scum. These aren't the only opportunities...why not just stay on the wagon and wait for it to possibly dissipate? We're 7 days out from the deadline.

[PenguinPower]

I'd actually be fine with an n_m lynch. He's even less contributory to gamestate than I'm used to seeing.

Lovebird is likely being replaced which hurts my ability to read that slot.

[nomnomnom]

I would vote n_m for being

that guy

but policy-lynches never end well in my experience. I'm not going there, even if I really want to.

[PenguinPower]

It's not a policy lynch.

It would be a meta-based lynched though.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe not for you, but for me it would 100% be a policy-lynch given I do not know the guy. So I'm not going there.

[Not_Mafia]

Your mum is a meta-based lynch

[PenguinPower]

Your mum is a meta-based lynch

No longer ok with n_m lynch today.

[nomnomnom]

...why did I laugh at that

[GrandWazoo]

@Alacrity:

I don't understand why scum specifically would engage that point the way I did, but town would not. I thought that entire engagement was self-evident, so it is entirely possible that something got lost in translation.

I did not answer your question because there really is not any reason to. Revealing why I want this alt to be secret would be counter-productive, as it would drastically reduce the amount of players that it can apply to. I quite like this alt, I would like to keep using it. =)

By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.

[u r a person 2]

VOTE: grand wazoo

[Alacrity]

VOTE: GrandWazoo

[nomnomnom]

I have the feeling GW has struck a nerve.