Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[xRECKONERx]

i do and it's not dramallama related

[Succinct]

@succinct: very quickly, can you just link to a game that you think gives you reason to think i have negativity with tohru's main acct?

I know it happened, but I don't recall which game. Best guess without research.

[Tohru]

I want out of this game as much as you do.

and yet you just signed up for it ...........?

whatever im not engaging this for the time being
it's either fake or completely disassociated from reality and im not sure which

I signed up to play a Mafia game but apparently it's bundled with everyone's sob stories, toxicity, and interpersonal squabbles as well.

okay so like last time ill respond ooc but:
when you replace into a game with people you know dont want to play with you under an alt and then get all indignant that people are upset about playing with you when you fail to hide who you are.................dont be shook
also like fr you and nim are the main people FOR REAL leaning into the "woe is me" sob story shit so like maybe take the persecution complex down a couple notches

in any case, i posted a giant readthru of elbirn 2 pages ago and you have yet to actually say anything about it so id LOVE your thoughts

Okay, PM me who you think I'm an alt of and if you're right I'll quit this game and this site right this instant. If you're wrong, I'll just have a quick chuckle, so it's win-win.


I saw that case on elbirn but there were more distracting issues at hand happening in the thread. I think what I have to say can be condensed into two bites, which is: Avoid "TOWN MAN DEFEND BAD MAN TOWN MAN BAD MAN" scenarios, and "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

[Chara]

so you didn't actually think it was a good case?

[Chara]

oh whoops. christ, Succinct said that.
i don't know why i'm still awake right now. sorry all.

[xRECKONERx]

@succinct: very quickly, can you just link to a game that you think gives you reason to think i have negativity with tohru's main acct?

I know it happened, but I don't recall which game. Best guess without research.

Okay.

I was testing to see if Succinct was lying about meta familiarity with me.

Here's where I'm at:
- Succinct linking this game makes sense from a me/Succinct standpoint.
- Succinct linking this game DOESN'T make sense based on who I think Tohru is.

So the conclusion I have is that Succinct isn't thinking Tohru is the same person I am, but linked this game because the person he DOES think Tohru is... is in this game.

So, I guess, Succinct: who do you think Tohru is? Because the person I think Tohru is isn't in this game.

p.edit:
1. im not going to break site rules by PMing you about ongoing game related content (but nice bait, and makes me more confident in who you are)
2. if you could give a little insight into how you think my case falls into TOWN MAN DEFEND BAD MAN and/or glass house rhetoric, that'd be great. because it sounds to be like you didn't actually like any of it? so some more dialogue around this would be a good starting point

[xRECKONERx]

^^ "this game" in the above post refers to the Team Mafia game that was linked, NOT Mini 2059 the game we're in right now

[tris]

Ugh.

All this drama is making it hard for me to focus, so I'll wait until the morning.

[Tohru]

so you didn't actually think it was a good case?

I don't deny that Elbirn is playing poorly, but it doesn't mean he's scum.

And, he's voting Succinct with us, so, it confirm's he's town. I understand this is circular.

I can appreciate why Reck or in fact why anyone in the game finds Elbirn suspicious, but he is more a distraction than anything.

[Tohru]

Ugh.

All this drama is making it hard for me to focus, so I'll wait until the morning.

Will you help us vote Succinct?

[Tohru]

[quote="In post 4180, xRECKONERx"
Okay.

I was testing to see if Succinct was lying about meta familiarity with me.

Here's where I'm at:
- Succinct linking this game makes sense from a me/Succinct standpoint.
- Succinct linking this game DOESN'T make sense based on who I think Tohru is.

So the conclusion I have is that Succinct isn't thinking Tohru is the same person I am, but linked this game because the person he DOES think Tohru is... is in this game.

So, I guess, Succinct: who do you think Tohru is? Because the person I think Tohru is isn't in this game.

p.edit:
1. im not going to break site rules by PMing you about ongoing game related content (but nice bait, and makes me more confident in who you are)
2. if you could give a little insight into how you think my case falls into TOWN MAN DEFEND BAD MAN and/or glass house rhetoric, that'd be great. because it sounds to be like you didn't actually like any of it? so some more dialogue around this would be a good starting point[/quote]

Well, then I have no idea how to dispel your misconceived notion or ill-founded beliefs, then. You do have my word that I'll quit the site if you correctly guess who I am (that's how confident I am), but, please do it privately (denials are also information).

A lot of the basis for your scumreading Elbirn was his poor reads throughout the game & positioning on Flubber. You yourself misread Flubber, so I was hoping you would have been able to empathize with his viewpoint by changing your perspective a bit.

[xRECKONERx]

yeah sorry! not gonna make a site rules breaking deal with you about quitting the site. but good on you for doing that.

[Tohru]

yeah sorry! not gonna make a site rules breaking deal with you about quitting the site. but good on you for doing that.

Okay. If there's no way to settle that then let's move on, then. After all, if Succinct thinks I'm someone and you think I'm someone different, at least one of you must be wrong, anyway.

'From your earlier reply, I take it that you're cool with hammering Succinct?

[Tohru]

The players who are not voting Succinct are: Reck, NMSA, tris, Nimueh, Creature.

We need 2 out of the above 5.

One of the above 5 is the partner.

Cool!

[Tohru]

then we get a flip and the game is slow and rather than contribute elbirn goes "man this game is weirdly quiet with a flip and new day start". like.... ok...... then why not give content yourself? you're actively being guilty of the same thing you're complaining to other people about

he also soft pushes on me saying i said "gross shit" but nobody cares so he's just insane. which is funny considering he literally never not once mentioned any of that "gross shit" i did?

he asks ank to spoon feed him a reason to vote flubber. that's highly sus with the flub flip. it's like he didn't want to be tied to flubber but was holding out and making people "convince" him because the longer he dilly-dallies the less likely the wagon gets momentum. that seems like scum hedging his bets.

he goes back AGAIN to ank and says "man idk why flub is scum can you explain lets compare notes". this is like PAGES later and over 24h later.

This part here is "TOWN MAN DEFEND BAD MAN TOWN MAN BAD MAN".

The rest of the elbirn readthrough seems like a summary of his ISO rather than an analysis of the subtexts and subinteractions.

Again, I've read the game. I know he's suspect. But the way I see it, elbirn's playing a meeker, less town-portraying, but similar parallel game to yours in this game.

[Tohru]

Looks like everyone's gone to bed. I'll check back here if I can't sleep or something.

[Nimueh]

Spoiler:

I know it seems too much to ask but you would think it would be possible, to have even one day in the last two fucking weeks, when I catch a break from literally balling my eyes out for hours. Did I commit some terrible crime in a past life or something, because the is like some bad film noir parody or something.

sorry you feel this way but it probably doesn't belong in a mafia game tho

Spoiler:

Neither does the disgusting attack on me from Chara but it STILl happened.

[Nimueh]

wow i make a random comment about how you have an anime avatar and i dont like anime avatars and suddenly you and nimueh are SOUL SISTAHS because you're feeling So AtTaCkEd RiGhT nOw

hard pass

within the game, im more likely to stick with elbirn but i would probably hammer succinct because 4150 is pinging me as coming from a very comfortable place and i feel like we're likely to have at least one scum between succinct/elbirn so fuck it

Don’t drag me into whatever this is about please. Whatever is going on between you and Toruh, has absolutely nothing to do with me.

[Nimueh]

The players who are not voting Succinct are: Reck, NMSA, tris, Nimueh, Creature.

We need 2 out of the above 5.

One of the above 5 is the partner.

Cool!

And if all of them are town, would that mean you’re wrong?

You want a Succinct wagon? This isn’t going to make that happen.

[Nimueh]

wow i make a random comment about how you have an anime avatar and i dont like anime avatars and suddenly you and nimueh are SOUL SISTAHS because you're feeling So AtTaCkEd RiGhT nOw

hard pass

within the game, im more likely to stick with elbirn but i would probably hammer succinct because 4150 is pinging me as coming from a very comfortable place and i feel like we're likely to have at least one scum between succinct/elbirn so fuck it

Don’t drag me into whatever this is about please. Whatever is going on between you and Toruh, has absolutely nothing to do with me.

But you’re probably right about the one scum thing.

[Nimueh]

my thoughts on elbirn:

he entered the game pretty jokey and distant. his early contributions are emptyreads with no reasoning and promise of catchup. honestly... this post in particular is standing out to me:

UNVOTE:

Since my slot is voting Brigitte for God knows what reason

VOTE: TicTac

So I can be on the incredibly fortuitous tictac wagon being driven by literally all my townreads

Hooray I'm becoming more aware of the game state

it feels like virtue signalling on the brigitte wagon. like for someone who had barely read and claimed to have only read to p10, saying my slot is voting brigitte for "some god unknown reason" feels really broad? and bombastic? and like maybe a way to look good hopping off a townwagon being driven by town?

then after a bunch of fluffy shit and promises to catch up... we get elbirn claiming he's just not gonna read anymore and the game starts now. with what is essentially an RVS vote on Chara for "being mean to skitter"
......after

900 posts

between his entry and this post, he is still doing RVS jokey bullshit.

when we do get content from him, it's a quick meta read on creature, then AtE of "maaaan ive totally beeing wanting a scum game since 2015!" and some self-meta. coupled with a push on both xtoxm/nimueh.

he also comes up with some plan to "make scum shoot him". is this a scumslip? most of the game thought the game had no nightkills at that point (i know i did) but he knows scum get a kill at some point?

elbirn continues to push on skitter. he then does a quick vote on skitter then goes "actually wait why arent we voting tris" and manuevers onto tris.

then we get a flip and the game is slow and rather than contribute elbirn goes "man this game is weirdly quiet with a flip and new day start". like.... ok...... then why not give content yourself? you're actively being guilty of the same thing you're complaining to other people about

he also soft pushes on me saying i said "gross shit" but nobody cares so he's just insane. which is funny considering he literally never not once mentioned any of that "gross shit" i did?

he asks ank to

spoon feed him a reason to vote flubber

. that's highly sus with the flub flip. it's like he didn't want to be tied to flubber but was holding out and making people "convince" him because the longer he dilly-dallies the less likely the wagon gets momentum. that seems like scum hedging his bets.

he goes back AGAIN to ank and says "man idk why flub is scum can you explain lets compare notes". this is like PAGES later and over 24h later.

then randomly he's back on tris again after dropping that push entirely for half the game.

actually halfway through this i have realized i have something to say about 3363/3361 so this is a note to myself to make a separate post about it later so i dont muck up the flow of this one.

he comes back and says if nmsa is scum then scum would evac him before flub which completely ignores the flub IC claim.

elbirn also throws a bullshit soft scumread on me to explain why he won't vote NMSA

and then he goes back to the d1 brig lynch and uses tris being the counterwagon as a reason to push tris. it's so lazy.

now we have elbirn joining the easy succinct wagon after the replacement has made it a popular option.

his response to succinct's points on him in 4030/4031 is... *audible fart noise*


so yeah


VOTE: Elbirn

**audible fart noise**

Well, we know he lied about the townlock read and that post definitely sounded like he was setting me up for a mislynch later. He also, switched his vote to Succinct without giving any kind of reason and Tohru is so deathtunneled on. Succinct, she’s ignoring anything else in the game, readswise. Not saying she’s wrong but even a scum hunting God can make a mistake and I’m kind of getting annoyed that she is trying to force it, because even if she’s right on Succinct, which she may well be, being my way or the highway, isn’t the way to persuade anyone. In fact, it might possibly backfire.

[Nimueh]

my gut instinct is to say Elbirn looks bad here given Xtoxm town and Flubber scum, but i have to believe that scum Elbirn would be a lot more careful about outright defending Flubber here, so i don't really believe he's one of the scum either right now.

my gut instinct is to say Elbirn looks bad here given Xtoxm town and Flubber scum, but i have to believe that scum Elbirn would be a lot more careful about outright defending Flubber here, so i don't really believe he's one of the scum either right now.

Thank you for your understanding

coming back to this:

this is very weird to me and it highlights something that pinged me about chara

chara has continued to suspect me and when i point out i wouldn't be that bad as scum as to have the interactions i had with flubber, it hasn't resonated with chara at all

HOWEVER

here, chara waves away a scumread on elbirn by saying "oh elbirn would totally be a lot more careful about his interactions with flubber"

so...
when i have weird interactions with flub that would be IDIOTIC to have as scum v scum... it doesn't land completely with chara
but when elbirn has weird interactions with flub that would be IDIOTIC to have as scum v scum... well, duh, of course elbirn would be more careful!

sour taste in my mouth

You think Elbirn and Chara are scum with Flubber?

[northsidegal]

Okay, PM me who you think I'm an alt of and if you're right I'll quit this game and this site right this instant.

Yeah, don't do this, and please don't ask someone to do it.

[northsidegal]

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[northsidegal]

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