Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[scum reading]

Wanna talk with me, I'm feeling kind of lonely

[Vedith]

Sure.

[ejjinami]

Vote Count 4.11

Chennisden:

(4) scum reading, Auro, Alonzo, Shoshin

Shoshin:

(2) DoubtingThomas, Vedith

Vedith:

(1) volxen

Not Voting:

chennisden

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-30 06:58:50)

[chennisden]

And by the way @Chennisden, what I said to Vedith applies to you as well if you are thinking about self-hammering. If you are town you shouldn't self-hammer unless you are 100% convinced that both Shoshin and Vedith are town.

I've been getting more convinced as I ISOed both of them. I will let you know who I want lynched soon.

[chennisden]

Reads - town
auro, vedith, shoshin, volxen. If one of them is scum its Shoshin.

Alonzo is lean town.

PoE DT and Scum are scum. They've also seemed scummy, especially Scum reading.

But getting shoshin lynched isnt gonna happen and will only cause more discord the next day.

Anyone who wants to feel free to hammer now

[Shoshin]

Why is Vedith town?

[DoubtingThomas]

chennis, vote shoshin

[DoubtingThomas]

If he flips town, we're voting DT because other than his 1v1 with rc, everything else was fluff.

my push on shoshin is fluff?

that is the most contentful and passionate push i have ever made in my mafia career bro

[chennisden]

If Scum reading was town here he would be in the pool with me and someone like Auro or DT.

Volxen has already been in the pool and is under majority of radars.

Chen being in the pool with me and Shoshin as town makes sense.
Me and Shoshin argue the day, one of us gets lynched and Chen gets credit for being in a pool.

I originally wondered if Shoshin was going to push me for the hammer today but that didn't happen so overall 2 Scum in the pool with me makes little sense.

Vedith, you're just swinging at everything you can to get me lynched. Other than me coasting shoshin (which has been refuted with my vote) you have nothing on me.

Get to lynching real scummies, because you're plain wrong about my alignment.

Well I'm voting Chen and you also think that's Scum.
So surely I'm doing something right in your eyes here?
What's your argument again?

No, I don't think you'd be dodging all my questions about reads as town Vedith. It makes all your reads seem faked.

If you know my Scum meta you know I answer as Scum. I make cases as Scum.
You know that if I'm Scum here then there's actually a high chance Chen is Scum too.
And if I'm town here, there's still a high chance.

But that's only if you know my meta as well as you are pushing.

@Vedith, why do you think that I am scum? You’ve been talking about me being scum since day 2 and I’ve yet to see you put forth any sort of logical argument as to why you think that I’m scum. I think I was fairly towny on day 2, and beyond that I’ve explained numerous times why I was by far the most at risk at self-nominating compared to either of Shoshin or Irrelephant. You don’t even seem to read any of my posts and you keep talking as though me being scum is a foregone conclusion from your point of view. I would at least like to know why that is, because if you are town you seem to have zero interest in actually sorting my slot.

Not only have I answered this for others and yesterday several times I've also said that I'm not directly Scum reading you.
I made it clear that you had the highest chance to flip Scum 2 days ago, I never mentioned you yesterday and today I am saying Chen and Scum reading are Scum.

I have said Alonzo, DT and Auro are town.
So that leaves you and Shoshin

The thing I don't understand here Shoshin. You're playing as giving up and yet Chen is a Scum read to you?
Why is lynching Chen over me that bad if you can just vote me tomorrow?

UNVOTE: Chen
Standard Friday night busy won't be on until tomorrow properly

I changed my mind and think Chen is town.

While there might be some bits and pieces of Vedith that are scummy, his ISO overall is town. What he's been saying has a clear town motive (lynch the scummy player who replaced into the scummy slot) and some of what he said about me isn't wrong. Scum reading weirdly pushes Vedith which I don't like (though this could be a town thing too; see his first town game). Vedith questions Shoshin about something that might've just slipped under the radar otherwise. Also, he demonstrates a willingness to accept he is wrong, as seen when he realizes I am town

[chennisden]

chennis, vote shoshin

I'm having some reservations about Shoshin being town. Since I know for sure I'm town,

VOTE: Shoshin

I still believe I am the best lynch today; just less so.

[chennisden]

Also vedith tryhards as scum; have you seen his "analysis" in Mini 2057 as scum? I say "analysis" because it was fake.

[volxen]

chennis, vote shoshin

I'm having some reservations about Shoshin being town. Since I know for sure I'm town,

VOTE: Shoshin

I still believe I am the best lynch today; just less so.

I still don't see how you can possibly consider Vedith to be more towny than Shoshin, or how you came to the conclusion that Vedith's ISO is "overall town". Everything Shoshin has done makes sense from a town mindset. My concerns about her were mainly with respect to her being a nominee twice, and how she could have potentially self-nominated as scum to try to get herself townlocked. Although considering how much heat she already took on day two over concerns that she self-nominated as scum, I don't think it's likely that she would nominate herself again on day four, as that just puts her at risk again without making her look any more towny if she survives.

Aside from that, I'm not sure that the way that she she lashed out at me on the spot is within her scumrange. For some people this would be easy enough to do as scum, but Shoshin doesn't have all that much experience playing scum. When I challenged her on her analysis (and I made a mistake in my own analysis which led me to challenge her analysis), she snapped at me and said, "What the fuck is wrong with you, Volx?" and told me not to join any of her future games. If she is scum, then all of this frustration is fake, because she would have no reason to be frustrated with me if I, as a townie, am challenging her on her fake analysis. On the other hand, if she is town and she believes that her analysis is sound and I am "just not getting it", then it makes sense that she would lash out at me in frustration. If she is town, then her frustration was real, if she is scum then it was all faked. The only reason to do something like that as scum is if you believe it will make you look more towny; there is no reason to fake emotions as scum if it isn't going to help you get townread. And being that I approach this game from a purely logical/analytical perspective and keeps emotions out of my gameplay, there is no reason for scum!Shoshin to believe that I would townread her over fake snapping at me (this is the first time that I have ever townread someone for that reason). And the fact that her snapping at me came just minutes after I challenged her makes it even more likely that it comes from town!Shoshin, because it means she didn't spend much time thinking about her responses as it was all done on the spot.

I am talking specifically about the exchange between Shoshin and I from posts 2584 - 2589.

[ejjinami]

Alonzo has been prodded.

[ejjinami]

Vote Count 4.12

Chennisden:

(4) scum reading, Auro, Alonzo, Shoshin

Shoshin:

(3) DoubtingThomas, Vedith, chennisden

Vedith:

(1) volxen

Not Voting:

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With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-30 06:58:50)

[Alonzo]

Someone bus plz

[Alonzo]

Looking at you vedith

[Vedith]

No

[Alonzo]

VOTE: vedith

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Vedith

[Shoshin]

Auro & SR, please vote Vedith so we can end this day already.

[Vedith]

Yes, do it.

[Auro]

VOTE: Vedith

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Get me out of this game.
Tomorrow lynch Scum Reading.

Then Shoshin who will he in the 3 to claim as town

Then work out the 3rd
My order is
Volxen
Auro
Alonzo

[Vedith]

Scum reading and Shoshin are Scum 100%

[Vedith]

Just make sure you trust my reads here and stop letting Shoshin misnlybch.
Shoshin town doesn't mis lynch 3 town