Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Liger_Zero]

I have zero idea of what you are talking about. Gonna check out of thread for awhile.

[MaxwellPuckett]

UNVOTE:
Grapes vote is a point for Rei but its mostly this string of posts thats really towny
Will read more tomorrow

[Reiuji Utsuho]

tl;dr I want him to read the game first so I don't have to factor him in not reading when I find him saying something scummy.

[NerfedBuJ]

I'd say vedith has passed the BoD line of not participating enough.

Vedith/ali anyone?

@DrD - I don't know enough about clem to respond, my point was if he did it once as scum, he's capable of doing it again so shouldn't be something you townread him for.

VOTE: Vedith

[NerfedBuJ]

My current plan of action is lynching all the useless slots / replacements (except for dann).
If we find scum among them, we lynch alisae.
If we don't find scum among them, we lynch Jingle.

Basic math says we don't have enough mislynches to actually do that, so I'll adjust along the way.

Right now vedith has highest percent of flipping scum.

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: Vedith

[NerfedBuJ]

To be fair this is in part because I haven't played with jingle enough to know if this is his normal playstyle or what. I know he's very interested in mechanical aspects of the game, but I don't know if that means I can trust his claim that he doesn't effort in games that provide him with little mechanical/flavor interest to motivate him to effort.

I wish I knew how to explain that better but I hope you understand.

[NerfedBuJ]

And gut says alisae is scum over jingle here 9 times out of ten.

It's just that my read on alisae hinges on her having flaky turds for partners.

[NerfedBuJ]

To be fair this is in part because I haven't played with jingle enough to know if this is his normal playstyle or what. I know he's very interested in mechanical aspects of the game, but I don't know if that means I can trust his claim that he doesn't effort in games that provide him with little mechanical/flavor interest to motivate him to effort.

I wish I knew how to explain that better but I hope you understand.

The context for this is that we played in overkill and I put him in top 3 town contributors for that game, which isn't the case here. And we talked about this earlier this game.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 3.3

Vedith(3)

~ Liger_Zero⁽³³⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽⁷⁾, Prince of Renais⁽²²⁾

Ankamius(2)

~ DrDolittle⁽³⁰⁾, Dannflor⁽¹⁰⁾

MaxwellPuckett(1)

~ Reiuji Utsuho⁽³⁵⁾

Jingle(1)

~ Vedith⁽⁹⁾

DrDolittle(1)

~ Jingle⁽²³⁾


Not Voting (7): Ankamius⁽⁴²⁾, Alisae⁽¹⁹⁾, MaxwellPuckett⁽¹⁵⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽³¹⁾, mcqueen⁽⁵⁾, Xtoxm⁽¹⁾, Karmeleon⁽⁰⁾

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-05 16:49:59)

[Prince of Renais]

i don't think I'll ever be motivated in this game as long as I'm afraid of being scumread if I lead an incorrect lynch.

[Dannflor]

boredom

people were happy w/ game state

i don't like when people are happy w/ game state

i was trying to figure out who wouldn't be happy if I said "no, this game state is bad"

nobody wanted to lynch vedith

I'm a little worried about this right now?

Especially with no NK, I'm trying to figure out what scum are doing to try and win the game.

One thing to keep in mind potentially is that scum will avoid pushing doused players at all costs because it basically costs them a night kill. There are fairly good odds Prince is already doused so the only way for scum to play around him will be not to push for his mislynch, but to discredit/scumread him while pushing elsewhere. I'd guess either Enter or myself are also doused. I'd just watch how people play around EE and Prince specifically today because I think they're the most likely doused targets, and playing with obv town players you can't make a real push for even if circumstances change probably stands out. It's why I'm not really a fan of Ank's half-hearted push on Enter, but I might just be conf-biasing on that.

[Dannflor]

i don't think I'll ever be motivated in this game as long as I'm afraid of being scumread if I lead an incorrect lynch.

you cannot be pushed as a lynch

people scum reading you/discrediting your reads will have to out themselves as scum

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i don't think I'll ever be motivated in this game as long as I'm afraid of being scumread if I lead an incorrect lynch.

just relax dude

enjoy mafia pls

if someone scumreads you i'll lynch them don't worry about it

[Dannflor]

How and why would it make sense to frame someone as scum by no killing exactly? Not understanding the flow of logic or how no death would be a frame attempt given the setup.

Prince lead a wagon on grapes, mafia, day one. He's an extremely strong player and obvious town this game so most players agreed he'd likely die last night. He didn't.

A simple (but flawed) explanation is that Prince is scum because ~~~paranoia~~~

you're going to need very good reasons to push Prince right now and I don't believe those exist until proven otherwise

discrediting him or scum reading him based on the mere fact he's still alive will be a scum tactic imo

[Dannflor]

Ank's town btw but that's probably not news

It sort of is to me? Where did you pull that from?

[Dannflor]

jingle what was your thought process when you initially replaced into the game?

how you approached the game, Jingle

Okay Ank I'll be completely transparent my issue with you *could* just be style differences, so hopefully you can help me understand if I'm wrong

I'm not following your thought processes on posts like the above, I'm not seeing the end of your arc, the conclusions you're drawing from asking such questions. Like, I'm reading it like empty questioning/catching up because I'm not really seeing the solve behind your questioning.

How did you expect knowing Jingle's thought process when he replaced in would help you sort him? Is there a specific thing you're looking for or is it a general feeler type reaction test just to get a base level read on him?

[Dannflor]

So Xtoxm’s still done next to nothing

says the car who has done nothing

sorry, I know you were sick but

like pressure xtoxm or something if you think that? make him do something?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Rei
So far its a vote on me (town) and wanting to vote someone I think is town and also a sort of lame jab abt me having a gutread on Ank in spite a not reading when Ank had a shitton of posts right when I came in

town reading because "shitton of posts" is lazy

what about the posts are town to you

this is just avoiding explaining yourself

also terrible vote

[Dannflor]

VOTE: mcqueen

[Dannflor]

actually wait no

VOTE: Vedith

sheeping prince is still best play and Vedith lynch is good too

Vedith I need you to talk to me if you're town

Are you locked into Lycan/Clem/Jingle slots today?

Who are your top town reads? I feel like the only town read I remember from you is Shoshin

[Vedith]

Well, you're not a town read I can tell you that much.
Given how yesterday went i'm not in any position to blindly follow anyone here outside of Shoshins reads.
I don't think Scum were pushing Shoshin as Scum Though and just sitting back instead.

So if you want me to vote else where then explain why I should. Otherwise just keep voting me.

[Dannflor]

I like Dann trying to just push focus back into solving.
Dann town \o/

Well, you're not a town read I can tell you that much.

What changed?

You also just completely dodged my question

Who are you town reading right now?

[Ankamius]

Dann

I've played with Jingle town and Jingle scum several times in the past and he's always had a drastically different tone than when he's played this game. The way I've been trying to read him is by reading what he decides to push and why since that's how I was able to correctly realize I shouldn't be townreading him in police academy, but I need to be sure that I can read him along that same metric when he is playing much more loosely than in any other game I've seen him in.

It's not me trying to get a read on him, it's me making sure I can in the first place.

[Dannflor]

What do you make of his general apathy towards this game? Does that alone seem AI in either direction as far as reading him goes?